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Old December 5th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #2581
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Do people drive that fast in Hungary?


nope, they drive much faster, this one was a slowpoke...
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Old December 5th, 2009, 04:24 PM   #2582
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Ok but what happens if he is a foreign driver?will the hungarian authorities send him the fine?what happens if he ignores to pay it?
I think if he is an EU citizen they will send him a ticket. He won't avoid fine. If he ignores it there are certainly ways how to force him to pay.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 04:50 PM   #2583
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Chris,can you please update the first post with this:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...63&postcount=1

Thank you!
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Old December 5th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #2584
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Done!

It's pretty huge.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #2585
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Chris,can you please update the first post with this:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...63&postcount=1

Thank you!
You can add my pics of M70 and RipleyLV's pics of M86.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #2586
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I have nothing agains foreigners,but the summary is the summary of our thread in our section,as it has much much more content. And I dont really fancy making 2 of these,its very time-consuming.

But maybe I'll include this thread too as a christmas present in January.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 11:24 PM   #2587
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There's a difference between driving fast and driving too fast. The latter is obviously the case when you drive 240 km/h on a road that has a typical design speed of 120 - 130 km/h.
But design speed of 120 km/h is enough to drive safely 240 km/h in appropriate weather. Driving 240 km/h in Slovenia carry 300 euros fine and 1-2 months license suspension.

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I think if he is an EU citizen they will send him a ticket. He won't avoid fine. If he ignores it there are certainly ways how to force him to pay.
They can send him the ticket only if two countries has a valid agreement to share traffic data. Eastern European countries usually don't have this kind of agreements. For example, for Slovenian government it is illegal to share Slovenian traffic data with any other law enforcement in Europe. So either foreign police fine you on spot or you won't get a fine.

There are talks in European level to make mandatory to share those data but for now they still hasn't reach an agreement.

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Old December 6th, 2009, 12:23 AM   #2588
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But design speed of 120 km/h is enough to drive safely 240 km/h in appropriate weather.
No, it's not. Other traffic moves at 130-140 km/h and does not anticipate on some moron doing almost twice their speed (67 meters per second!). For instance, if you look into your mirror, you see the road is clear for about 400 meters behind you. You cannot reliably estimate the speed of traffic that far away. So a few seconds later, you want to overtake a truck, and then BAM! That guy is already at your position. Very dangerous.
Another issue is that you cannot anticipate on other factors with such speeds, like debris, road quality or wildlife. At 240 km/h, just a tad on the wheel is enough to hit the median barrier.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 02:05 AM   #2589
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They can send him the ticket only if two countries has a valid agreement to share traffic data. Eastern European countries usually don't have this kind of agreements. For example, for Slovenian government it is illegal to share Slovenian traffic data with any other law enforcement in Europe. So either foreign police fine you on spot or you won't get a fine.
Are you saying that f.e. I can drive into the bank-card lane at an Italian toll plaza, don't pay, they eventually let me through, so I don't cause a traffic jam, and I never pay?
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Old December 6th, 2009, 12:24 PM   #2590
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I think if he is an EU citizen they will send him a ticket. He won't avoid fine. If he ignores it there are certainly ways how to force him to pay.
I'm not sure, but if I remember correctly from the 1st of January 2010, it will be done like that.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 07:36 PM   #2591
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Are you saying that f.e. I can drive into the bank-card lane at an Italian toll plaza, don't pay, they eventually let me through, so I don't cause a traffic jam, and I never pay?
Probably Italian police would caught you but if you manage to come to Slovenia you are safe. Slovenia won't share your licence plate number. I know some people who drive well over the speed limit in neighbourhood countries passing fixed speed cameras because they know they won't get fined.

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No, it's not. Other traffic moves at 130-140 km/h and does not anticipate on some moron doing almost twice their speed (67 meters per second!).
This has nothing to do with road construction/design speed. Design speed is speed used to determine geometric design features. Safe speed is approximately twice the design sped when conditions are favorable. For example, majority of Slovenian regional roads have actual design speed of around 50 km/h (law requires it between 40-80 km/h), yet speed limit is 90 km/h and in most cases it is safe to drive such speed.

Slovenia follows the rule design speed=speed limit only on motorways although a lot of traffic experts are against it. When you use the exit ramp on Slovenian motorway there is a speed limit of 40 km/h because that is the design speed although actually every user know that you can safely drive a lot faster. The only European country I know which follows design speed=speed limit on all roads is Croatia and that's why nobody obey those limits because they are too low for modern cars.

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Old December 6th, 2009, 08:21 PM   #2592
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i think we should have a minimum speed limit of 100 kph
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Old December 6th, 2009, 09:24 PM   #2593
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Probably Italian police would caught you
No, they surely wouldn't do that, because you have 2 weeks or so to pay the ticket. It happened to my mum once, and she paid in Slovenia via Internet (also to me, but I paid in Italy). And that was in times when we weren't in Schengen yet, but they didn't stop her at the border or sth.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 01:28 AM   #2594
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I just ignore traffic fines I received in foreign countries and throw them away in first recycle bin.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 09:38 AM   #2595
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i think we should have a minimum speed limit of 100 kph
When 90 kph the maximum speed for trucks?
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Old December 7th, 2009, 11:57 AM   #2596
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But design speed of 120 km/h is enough to drive safely 240 km/h in appropriate weather.
Maybe with F1 and slicks in sunny weather and completely empty motorway. But surely not in normal conditions.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 01:42 PM   #2597
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When 90 kph the maximum speed for trucks?
forgot about that
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Old December 7th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #2598
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Are you saying that f.e. I can drive into the bank-card lane at an Italian toll plaza, don't pay, they eventually let me through, so I don't cause a traffic jam, and I never pay?
No no. I wouldn't do that if I were you. They don't even involve the police. They have a private collecting agency that operates EU-wide aggressively pursue you and make you pay. With a hefty surcharge, of course, and if you still refuse they will get lawyers involved and eventually they'll probably sue you. This also happens if you're in a credit card lane and the cc transaction fails for some reason.

With traffic fines it may be different. I don't know. But I heard the city of Pisa uses similar methods to pursue parking and ZTL (zona a traffico limitato) violations.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 03:13 PM   #2599
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When 90 kph the maximum speed for trucks?
Excuse me, the rule says max speed is 80 kph and the trucks are hardwarely limited to 90 kph.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #2600
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No no. I wouldn't do that if I were you. They don't even involve the police. They have a private collecting agency that operates EU-wide aggressively pursue you and make you pay. With a hefty surcharge, of course, and if you still refuse they will get lawyers involved and eventually they'll probably sue you. This also happens if you're in a credit card lane and the cc transaction fails for some reason.
But how would they get your personal data on licence plate number? Unless your home country share this data (which is illegal in most, if not all EU countries), they can't get them, especially if they are private agency.
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