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Old December 14th, 2009, 10:41 PM   #2661
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Sitting on a finished motorway for two months is what... Logical?
Do they sit on their asses or there's enough work for 4 months?
I think a PPP project means work and open as fast as possible, not work as fast as possible and wait until Marc 2010. :p

If they win 1 or 2 months the whole opening procedure would be much faster.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #2662
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Do they sit on their asses or there's enough work for 4 months?
There is a huge IF here, since we dunno.

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I think a PPP project means work and open as fast as possible, not work as fast as possible and wait until Marc 2010. :p

If they win 1 or 2 months the whole opening procedure would be much faster.
As Aladar pointed out in the Hungarian version of this thread, the contracts says, the State pays from the 1st of April if the developer finishes the work on time (pretty sure) and everything is found ok during the handover process (otherwise there would be an indemnity of some kind). So basically it is not the interest of the developer to inaugurate the motorway earlier. Of course if the government starts to pay earlier, that's another story.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #2663
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Testing the tunnel safety systems can take a while, believe me. If there are problems, a month or two of delays is nothing. Especially if some newer systems are installed, and there isn't much experience with it, it can take a while, while it looks completed for the naked eye. Sometimes I think these tunnels are just built to gather some experience with tunnels, as they are pretty rare in Hungary, if I recall correctly.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #2664
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Testing the tunnel safety systems can take a while, believe me. If there are problems, a month or two of delays is nothing. Especially if some newer systems are installed, and there isn't much experience with it, it can take a while, while it looks completed for the naked eye.
I believe you, this is why I said: 'IF'.

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Sometimes I think these tunnels are just built to gather some experience with tunnels, as they are pretty rare in Hungary, if I recall correctly.
This is why STRABAG AG was chosen to build the tunnels, cas' they have pretty much of an experience in tunnel building.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 11:11 PM   #2665
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There's a few tunnel in Hungary, most of them are railway tunnels and all of them are very old.
This is the first highway tunnel, and the M0 will contain 4 much bigger (3 + 2,5 + 4 + 7 km)
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Old December 14th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #2666
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Testing the tunnel safety systems can take a while, believe me. If there are problems, a month or two of delays is nothing. Especially if some newer systems are installed, and there isn't much experience with it, it can take a while, while it looks completed for the naked eye.
One more thing. You have seen the stage the tunnels are in on the pix posted by Nyuszi little bit earlier. Pix originally uploaded on the 24th of November.
So you think all those testings take lets count: more than 4 months? Even in country lacking in tunnels.
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Old December 14th, 2009, 11:47 PM   #2667
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One more thing. You have seen the stage the tunnels are in on the pix posted by Nyuszi little bit earlier. Pix originally uploaded on the 24th of November.
So you think all those testings take lets count: more than 4 months? Even in country lacking in tunnels.
All those testings can take even a year if there are problems. 4 months are nothing if we are talking about tunnels.
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Old December 15th, 2009, 01:27 AM   #2668
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All those testings can take even a year if there are problems. 4 months are nothing if we are talking about tunnels.
k'mon, it's not Slovenia and Šentvid tunnel. it will take about 1 month
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Old December 15th, 2009, 01:29 AM   #2669
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There were never problems with Šentvid tunnel but with an old gallery.
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Old December 15th, 2009, 08:18 AM   #2670
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There's a few tunnel in Hungary, most of them are railway tunnels and all of them are very old.
No,the tunnel just after Nagyrákos (the new railway mainline to Slovenia)is a new tunnel.


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Old December 15th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #2671
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Railway tunnels are a bit different than road tunnels though, especially with detection and exhaust systems.
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Old December 15th, 2009, 10:32 AM   #2672
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Sometimes I think these tunnels are just built to gather some experience with tunnels, as they are pretty rare in Hungary, if I recall correctly.
Nope, they are built just to gather some work for the strabag democrats...
(there are no other company in hungary which could build tunnels...)
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Old December 15th, 2009, 10:35 AM   #2673
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This is the first highway tunnel, and the M0 will contain 4 much bigger (3 + 2,5 + 4 + 7 km)

this is idiotism too like M6 tunnels...

******* wasteful beggards...
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Old December 15th, 2009, 01:08 PM   #2674
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All those testings can take even a year if there are problems. 4 months are nothing if we are talking about tunnels.
Come on, in this case we are not talking about for example the Gotthard Base tunnel.
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k'mon, it's not Slovenia and Šentvid tunnel. it will take about 1 month
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Come on, in this case we are not talking about for example the Gotthard Base tunnel.
In Slovakia we had such problems with 1 km long tunnel. Of course, usually it doesn't take such long time, but 6 months are not a long time to install and test properly all needed stuff. Of course, I mean 6 months after the tunnel and its ceiling is built.

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Old December 15th, 2009, 08:14 PM   #2676
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Actually security systems from a 1 km tunnel and a 17 km tunnel are not that different. You only need more of it. (of course, with the more installations you have, the more can malfunction, but the basics are the same).
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i am talking only about testing. instalation of stuff lasts long. equiping second tubes of Sveti Rok and Mala kapela (ok, those are very long tunnels, but anyway) lasted whole year and it is damned expensive
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Old December 16th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #2678
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Next year's inaugurations:



I think it's pretty obvious, but let me know if you don't understand something.
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Old December 16th, 2009, 04:41 PM   #2679
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M31 will be pretty useful.

I don't understand two projects;

* Rákospalotai határút 2,2 km => What's this?
* M0 (51-es és M5 gyáli csomópont között) 6,3 km => is this a shortcut at the south side of Budapest?
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Old December 16th, 2009, 04:41 PM   #2680
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Next spring construction starts:

M43: Makó - Romanian border (23,1 kms) full profile motorway
M3: Nyíregyháza - Main road 49 - Vásárosnamény (45 kms) full profile motorway
M2: Budapest - Vác (20 kms) - upgrade to full profile motorway
M9: Main road 51 - Main road 54 (12,3 kms) half profile expressway

Total: 100,4 kms
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