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Old April 21st, 2010, 02:23 PM   #3121
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yes its normally the turkish workers living in germany going home for holidays and then returning to germany, that causes the problems. Its not all the time, though i can't tell you exactly when that is. I never had any problems on that border, since the motorway has opened, not even on the way back, allthough you are entering the Schengen zone when you enter Hungary, so coming in to Hungary is the trickier.

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Old April 21st, 2010, 03:28 PM   #3122
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it depends on lenght and geology...we build tunnel borik (1 km) and sitina (1,5 km) 3-4 years. and each km 2x2 lane tunnel costs 60-70 mil. €. our PPP1 concessionaire actually promises to open 1,5-2,5 km long tunnels within 39 months from beginning and complete within 45 months. longer tunnel 48-60 months.


and people should to pay for elementary school and for breathing too....

there are eurofunds and each country can assign his own priority. e. g. roads.

in agglomeration should be introduce the integrated PT. You buy one ticket and it is valid for suburban bus/rail and for city PT too.

gramercy wrote the list of taxes, but it´s question od tax-politic. We don´t have „registration tax on new and imported cars“ e.g.

BA has one through motorway, but it´s part of two motorways. On the east part was 100.000 AADT (harbour bridge) already in 2005, and widening is impossible. bypass D4 east will be maybe after 2015. your M0 south 2x3 is U/C, M31 will be complete soon. do you see the difference ?

Sk and Hu population density is the same, but the structure of settlements are different. in Sk we have a lot of villages, small cities. It means low traffic density so I. class roads will be very important in future too. but you are building a lot of bypasses and make many 100 km reconstructions and we not. I see the progress on your side of borderland. do you see the difference ?

Have you any link with actual hungarian project list (or map) of m.ways/e.ways and road investments till 2013/15 ?



we have 1,5 priority...R1 is half of southern route. so I would like bypasses zvolen-kosice U/C SOON - there are located eurofunds. and I would like instead of 40-50 km extreme expensive D1 sections D4 east (cca 20 km on flatland with danube bridge) and better roads with bypasses in all country. A few dozen km motorway till 2015 and nothing more I can´t call progress.
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Old April 21st, 2010, 11:11 PM   #3123
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Credit to Windblower! The widening of M0...

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Jó estét,

pár kép az M0-ás szélesítéséről (diósdi csomópont és az M0/M7 közötti szakasz)

Diósd után, az M6 irányába nézve


Diósd után az M7 irányába nézve


Munkagépek


A Hídépítő telephelye (3 hidat építenek, ebből az egyik a Duna-híd)


Az annahegyi pihenő irányába nézve


Az annahegyi pihenő irányába nézve


A helyszínt járva feltűnt egy mesterséges magaslat a Tétényi-fennsík tetején . Nem tudja valaki, hogy ez mi a csuda?



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Old April 22nd, 2010, 02:04 AM   #3124
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Theoretical debates

Lots of theoretical talks here, but very few posts regarding to actual developments (besides some pics of M0 widening).
Meanwhile, millions of Hungarians from the Greater Hungary really have no perspective of a high-speed road connections that will bring them closer to the center of the motherland, to their brothers and sisters.
In addition of having to endure the unfairness of the road signs seen on the motorway M3 (which only show Ukraine and Slovakia, but not Erdely / or Romania), these poor souls have lost their faith in the capacity of the central .hu government of planning and constructing motorways towards the Transylvanian regions that are home to millions of true Hungarians!
By today (April 2010) I would have expected:
1. The construction of M49 expressway Vaja - Csengersima - Szatmar to begin. Ironically, not even M3 Nyiregyhaza - Vaja has been started!!
2. The construction of M35 motorway Debrecen - Artand to be close to finalization. As far as I know, there is no definite horizon for this motorway as of yet.
But what is going on? Hungary has finalized motorway connections all the way to the borders of A, HR, SR, CZ (OK, half profile as in M15) - but RO, which has the highest number of Hungarian minority remains significantly behind???
How can this be?
When will we have a chance to drive to Budapest in one half-day, admire its beautiful Duna-shore, and then come back to where we live?
Is the dream of the Greater Hungary just something to go up in smoke? You tell me, and sustain your statement by clear deadlines:
* what is going on with M3 Nyiregyhaza - Vaja?
* what is going on with M49 Vaja - Csengersima?
* what is going on with M35 Debrecen - Artand?
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 03:04 AM   #3125
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Hello "neighbor" ,

Regarding to your post I must say that the Hungarian government does not have anything to do with building motorways in Romania. Hungary being closer to central Europe than Romania, probably has some more advantages in getting financing for this matter. Perhaps HU would build the ones in RO quicker than our gov.
Also, regarding to what you written, those motorways aren't being projected especially for the hungarian people living in RO (and this particular national minority case is a big issue), they are lined for inter-state transit throughtout Europe like mass-transit, tourism, business, political treaties, etc.

As far as their continuation in RO there are some sections part of two large motorways under construction at this very moment:
A1: Nadlac - Arad (38.5 km) + Arad - Timisoara (44 km)
A3: Bors - Suplacu de Barcau (? km) + Mihaesti - Gilau (? km) + Turda - Campia Turzii (12 km).
It's not pretty much satisfactory right not but the entire projects are from the HU border (close to Debrecen) to Targu Mures (RO - wich is the begining of the Csikszereda Region) for the A3 and Nagylak to Bucharest (RO capital), And when they'll finish them it would be a great thing for us romanians and you guys travelling towards and from central EU.

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Old April 22nd, 2010, 08:20 AM   #3126
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M3 Nyíregyháza-main road 49 construction started days earlier. M49 Vaja-Ököritófülpös is being planned.

http://www.nif.hu/hirek/602
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 08:38 AM   #3127
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M3 Nyíregyháza-main road 49 construction started days earlier.

fortunately not.
contract is suspended.

I hope the new gov. will stop it.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 08:56 AM   #3128
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In addition of having to endure the unfairness of the road signs seen on the motorway M3 (which only show Ukraine and Slovakia, but not Erdely / or Romania)
maybe because M3 goes to Ukraine and Slovakia not Romania...

the road what goes to Romania is called M4... (and M5/M43)


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* what is going on with M3 Nyiregyhaza - Vaja?
* what is going on with M49 Vaja - Csengersima?
* what is going on with M35 Debrecen - Artand?
what do you want with these stupid projects?

as I said: the road what goes to Romania is called M4

its continuation is the A3 (transylvanian motorway)
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 10:15 AM   #3129
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as I said: the road what goes to Romania is called M4

its continuation is the A3 (transylvanian motorway)
Laci, you are wrong, A3 is not the continuation of M43, A3 is continuation of M35 (that highway from Debrecen).
At M43, the continuation will be A1 (Nadlac-Arad-Timisoara-Deva-Sibiu-Pitesti-Bucuresti).

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Later edit: Sorry, now I realise that you speak about future M4 and this will be connected with A3 in Romania.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 10:56 AM   #3130
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Actually, from what I know, A3 in Romania near Oradea will be continued with M4 in HU, not M35 from Debrecen.
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:01 AM   #3131
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fortunately not.
contract is suspended.

I hope the new gov. will stop it.
new gov will speed up constructions to connect transsylvania to hungary
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:10 AM   #3132
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yeah, M4 needs some speed up...
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 01:08 PM   #3133
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sure,

let's build full-profile highways for 10% capacity to serve areas that are competitive with hungary yet pay no taxes

meanwhile, abandon areas, like, oh, i don't know, the F•in capital that produces over 40% of the GDP and doesn't even have a proper ringroad

same goes for M10, M85 and M86, all desperately needed and all lie in high-GDP areas and all are currently served with not even proper main roads


maybe if the romanian/ukrainian government is knocking on the border with 4-5 motorways...
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 08:11 PM   #3134
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maybe if the romanian government is knocking on the border with 4-5 motorways...
Not anytime soon. But in 50 years from now on, who nows ?
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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:27 PM   #3135
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Ancient coach-model beneath M9

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Old April 23rd, 2010, 05:48 PM   #3136
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while we are on the subject of off-topic, they just announced, that there are almost 3 million pensioners in hungary and they cost almost 1 bn eur / month

go figure
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Old April 25th, 2010, 12:06 PM   #3137
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M1 motorway M7-Tata section 2x3+e upgrade and concrete pavement planned

http://www.nif.hu/docs/sap/100000064...0313_M1_M7.pdf
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Old April 27th, 2010, 02:45 PM   #3138
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Does somebody have pictures of Budapest from the M5 motorway when entering into the city?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:02 PM   #3139
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Old April 27th, 2010, 06:32 PM   #3140
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Thank you very much.
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