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Old June 15th, 2010, 03:32 PM   #3301
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"Netherland" would be the most literal translation. We don't use plural in Dutch (Nederland, not Nederlanden).

The Netherlands uses green center markings on express roads though.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 10:08 AM   #3302
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The Netherlands uses green center markings on express roads though.
And what does that green marking mean exactly?

Our red means "DO NOT OVERTAKE" as I think because it's not a formal marking.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #3303
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The green marking in the Netherlands is not related to any passing regulations, it just shows a speed limit of 100 km/h and the status of "autoweg" (express road). Additional white markings left and right of the green zone indicate if you can pass or not.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 09:56 PM   #3304
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Our red means "DO NOT OVERTAKE" as I think because it's not a formal marking.
A single white line means "Don't overtake", so this double line with red in the middle must mean "Don't even think about overtaking"

Red paint is definitely cheaper than building the 2nd half of the expressway...
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Old June 16th, 2010, 10:08 PM   #3305
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Red paint is definitely cheaper than building the 2nd half of the expressway...
Maybe, but you have to admit that the red line makes the photo to look far better that way . It's awesome, almost like a perfect photoshop.
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Old June 16th, 2010, 10:13 PM   #3306
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Does anyone have precise AADT (traffic intensity) figures for Hungary (not just that map with approximate figures)? I was in Budapest last month, and M7 (and of course M70) was surprisingly empty. Thanks!

PS: Kőröshegy viaduct is fabulous
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Old June 16th, 2010, 11:46 PM   #3307
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Does anyone have precise AADT (traffic intensity) figures for Hungary (not just that map with approximate figures)? I was in Budapest last month, and M7 (and of course M70) was surprisingly empty. Thanks!

PS: Kőröshegy viaduct is fabulous
Yes, you can check whatever you want...

Little guide for you:
Go to http://utadat.hu

Select Tematikus térkép(Thematic Map), then choose the forgalom(traffic) icon




After that click on a road --> Beállítás(Settings)



...and put a tick into Átlagos napi forgalom(AADT) checkbox --> Mentés(save)


There you go...

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Old June 17th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #3308
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Very useful, thanks a lot for the effort!
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Old June 17th, 2010, 09:46 AM   #3309
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Does anyone have precise AADT (traffic intensity) figures for Hungary (not just that map with approximate figures)? I was in Budapest last month, and M7 (and of course M70) was surprisingly empty. Thanks!
Here you can find the traffic intensity of the whole Hungarian road network in 2008 (latest).

http://internet.kozut.hu/szakmai/ors...20forgalma.pdf

Only in Hungarian and it's not easy to read (even for us ) but some help:

Közút száma: number of road (even 4-5 digit other roads are included)
0+000 0+000: section of counting
Forgalmi sávok száma: number of lanes

on next page in the same row:
Összes forgalom: traffic total
j/nap: vehicle/day
Összes tehergépkocsi: heavy traffic total
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:14 AM   #3310
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Yes, you can check whatever you want...

Select Tematikus térkép(Thematic Map), then choose the forgalom(traffic) icon
After that click on a road --> Beállítás(Settings)
...and put a tick into Átlagos napi forgalom(AADT) checkbox --> Mentés(save)
There you go...

wow, I havent known that...
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #3311
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My cousin will be travelling from Oradea(RO) through Debrecen and Miskolc to Kosice (SK). Last time she had qiute and adventure with closed roads because of the floods. What is the situation right now in Hungary?
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Old June 17th, 2010, 11:53 AM   #3312
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Very useful, those AADT statistics. I processed them into the Dutch-language wiki about European roads.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:43 PM   #3313
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Anybody knows what's going on with M31? It should have been opened June 10, shouldn't it?
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:11 PM   #3314
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It's interesting to note that M0 is not the busiest road in Hungary. The M1/M7 in western Budapest carries more traffic.

M0-south: 100.000 vehicles per day
M1/M7: 139.000 vehicles per day

Still not very high considering the size of Budapest, but the outlying region is not that densely populated. Most suburbs are rather close to Budapest, not 30 km outside the city limits (like you see in Germany or the Netherlands).

Projected traffic volumes are often underestimated, for example when they constructed the Croatian B9 near Pula with 1x2 lanes in 2005, they projected the second carriageway wasn't needed until 2020. Right now they are already widening the road to a motorway, 10 years earlier than estimated. I wonder if that will happen with the M0 as well. If you compare the size of Budapest to other western European cities, I think M0 will need at least 2x4 lanes in the future on it's southern and eastern sections. I wouldn't be surprised if traffic volumes reach 200.000 vehicles by then.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #3315
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Anybody knows what's going on with M31? It should have been opened June 10, shouldn't it?
Postponed to early July, so I've read.

(thank God for news.google.hu and Google translate).
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Old June 19th, 2010, 02:08 PM   #3316
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Anybody knows what's going on with M31? It should have been opened June 10, shouldn't it?
Latest date is July 9th...

M43 is also going to be postponed as the middle section's contractor is always bitchin' about something.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 02:13 PM   #3317
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It's interesting to note that M0 is not the busiest road in Hungary. The M1/M7 in western Budapest carries more traffic.

M0-south: 100.000 vehicles per day
M1/M7: 139.000 vehicles per day

Still not very high considering the size of Budapest, but the outlying region is not that densely populated. Most suburbs are rather close to Budapest, not 30 km outside the city limits (like you see in Germany or the Netherlands).

Projected traffic volumes are often underestimated, for example when they constructed the Croatian B9 near Pula with 1x2 lanes in 2005, they projected the second carriageway wasn't needed until 2020. Right now they are already widening the road to a motorway, 10 years earlier than estimated. I wonder if that will happen with the M0 as well. If you compare the size of Budapest to other western European cities, I think M0 will need at least 2x4 lanes in the future on it's southern and eastern sections. I wouldn't be surprised if traffic volumes reach 200.000 vehicles by then.
M1/M7 joint section is partially so busy because every day tens of thousands of people in Budapest use that to reach shopping facilities like Cora, Tesco, Auchan, Praktiker, Decathlon, MediaMarkt, etc etc etc.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #3318
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It's interesting to note that M0 is not the busiest road in Hungary. The M1/M7 in western Budapest carries more traffic.

M0-south: 100.000 vehicles per day
M1/M7: 139.000 vehicles per day

Still not very high considering the size of Budapest, but the outlying region is not that densely populated. Most suburbs are rather close to Budapest, not 30 km outside the city limits (like you see in Germany or the Netherlands).

Projected traffic volumes are often underestimated, for example when they constructed the Croatian B9 near Pula with 1x2 lanes in 2005, they projected the second carriageway wasn't needed until 2020. Right now they are already widening the road to a motorway, 10 years earlier than estimated. I wonder if that will happen with the M0 as well. If you compare the size of Budapest to other western European cities, I think M0 will need at least 2x4 lanes in the future on it's southern and eastern sections. I wouldn't be surprised if traffic volumes reach 200.000 vehicles by then.
They already started expanding it to 2x4 on the southern section. pictures

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Latest date is July 9th...

M43 is also going to be postponed as the middle section's contractor is always bitchin' about something.
You mean that M43 Szeged - Mako will not be open on August 31???
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Old June 19th, 2010, 10:41 PM   #3319
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It will be only 2x3+emergency.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 11:28 PM   #3320
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They already started expanding it to 2x4 on the southern section. pictures



You mean that M43 Szeged - Mako will not be open on August 31???
Hopefully, but probably the M43 Szeged-Makó without the bridge.
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