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Old August 6th, 2010, 06:41 PM   #3501
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Testing M31...

























Future rest area, and gas station...





Proof that M31 was built in a way it could be widened to 3x3...















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Old August 6th, 2010, 06:45 PM   #3502
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Nice pictures. It indeed looks like M31 was built with six lanes in mind, very clever.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #3503
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Nice pics, good shortcut between M0 and M3. I have a comment:
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I think it would be good to add "Mukachevo" for those not familiar with Hungarian and Cyrillic. Btw, seeing the distance between Záhony and Mukachevo is just 43 km, they obviously took Ukrainian roads T0707 and T0710. I thought they'd use M06 over Uzhgorod.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #3504
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No, M3 will run straight east after Nyiregyhaza, and not towards Uzhhorod / Chop. I believe the planned M-road to that area is M41 or M43.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #3505
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^ M43 is the link between Szeged (on M5) and the Romanian border. However only the first section is under construction, between Szeged and Makó. And I know there are some troubles now, cause the contractor was declared bankrupt.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #3506
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I messed up the numbers, it's M34, planned as an Autóút.
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Old August 6th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #3507
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I think they used the distance to Mukachevo over future M3 so they won't have to change it later, but the current route is still over Záhony and Uzhgorod (otherwise they'd have to write Beregsurány under Mukachevo, not Záhony).
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Old August 7th, 2010, 10:36 AM   #3508
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Proof that M31 was built in a way it could be widened to 3x3...
you mean: 2x3 (or 3+3)

but I hardly believe it will be needed in 50 years...
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Old August 7th, 2010, 11:05 AM   #3509
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you mean: 2x3 (or 3+3)
Yes of course... My bad...
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Old August 7th, 2010, 11:22 AM   #3510
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but I hardly believe it will be needed in 50 years...
Well, let me tell you, we've built some 2x2 (rural!) motorways in the Netherlands in the late 1980's (for example A28 and A50) which are now being widened to 2x3, over 15 years overdue. It only needs some 70,000 - 80,000 vehicles per day to require 2x3 lanes.

Reserving some 7 meters for a future widening is always cheaper than having to acquire a ROW of 7 additional meters in 2030 or so. The sooner you do these things, the better. Rebuilding interchanges and bridges while it is under traffic is always more expensive than building these things greenfield.
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Old August 7th, 2010, 05:54 PM   #3511
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Well, let me tell you, we've built some 2x2 (rural!) motorways in the Netherlands in the late 1980's (for example A28 and A50) which are now being widened to 2x3, over 15 years overdue. It only needs some 70,000 - 80,000 vehicles per day to require 2x3 lanes.

This means nothing...

maybe the traffic was underestimated, and it filled almost instantly the 2x2...

or maybe it wasnt, but the traffic INCREASE was...

you have had a significant motorisation increase in the last 2 decades...
and we have too...

but in the current circumstances (crysis, debt-trap, aging society->pensionerocracy, uncompetitive economy, increasing energy prices) I couldnt expect significant grow in hungary...

and M31 would need an enormous growth to require a 2x3 widening, because it has about 20.000/day now...

so I wouldnt say it never will be needed (never say never), but Im sure it wont be needed in 40 years...

(IMO stagnation is much more probable in the following decades...
and we could be happy with stagnation because it means: we can avoid the collapse and state bankrupt)
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Old August 7th, 2010, 06:51 PM   #3512
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Well, the population of Hungary has been declining for a couple of decades now. The question is if metropolitan areas are also declining, or if it is mostly the countryside. But, it also has to be noted fertility rates in eastern Europe are increasing again after 2 decades of declining.
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Old August 7th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #3513
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I think the M31 has a good chance of keeping relatively low traffic for some time. It's neither a part of the (future) beltway (M0), nor a connection between Budapest and eastern Hungary (except for southern Budapest). I don't know, but even the southeastern part of the M0 has very low traffic for a 2-million city. I don't see a rich Ukraine in the near future either.
EDIT: ok, it also serves eastern Budapest, so perhaps it will see bigger traffic.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #3514
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I think the M31 has a good chance of keeping relatively low traffic for some time. It's neither a part of the (future) beltway (M0), nor a connection between Budapest and eastern Hungary (except for southern Budapest). I don't know, but even the southeastern part of the M0 has very low traffic for a 2-million city. I don't see a rich Ukraine in the near future either.
EDIT: ok, it also serves eastern Budapest, so perhaps it will see bigger traffic.
I'd say M31's biggest advantage that it helps the rest of M0 north stay uncrowded for locals, and shortens the way for transit traffic. Its traffic will consist of traffic to/from M3 and also it's a new and free road towards the south of Bp for people in the Gödöllő area, as opposed to M3 which is tolled.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 11:03 AM   #3515
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Nice pictures. It indeed looks like M31 was built with six lanes in mind, very clever.
Chris and the Others:

Once more: M31 was not built for 2x3 lanes, only 2x2 .

The widening in the median that You can see on some photos are only in small radius curves to ensure the distance to notice the stopped vehicles in time.
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Old August 9th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #3516
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M0E have got space in the madian for future widening.
I did not heard about M31 to be 2x3 in the future.

But in Hungary for the time of widening the roads are so old that we have to rebuild all of the road with all of its bridges.
BS. M7 and now M0...

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(Like M1 Budaörs-Tatabánya. In the 80's the Budaörs-Bicske section was constructed to have 2x3 lanes in the future. Now we want to widen but the pavement is poor quality asphalt, proposed to change it to concrete, the bridges are in bad condition, built by old standard, so most of them will be rebuilt.)
I don't think on M1 the bridges have reserve. If they will be rebuilt, it won't because the condition, but the lack of space (under them.)
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Old August 10th, 2010, 02:25 PM   #3517
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M0 widening between M6 and road Nr. 51.












M0 and road Nr. 51. junction


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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:07 PM   #3518
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M3 felújítás

"A felmart kötőrétegének 60 százalékát újrahasznosítja, és ezzel a felújítás költségeit mintegy 20 százalékkal csökkentheti az a melegremix eljárás, amelyet az M3-as autópálya Kál és Emőd közötti, most felújított szakaszán alkalmaztak. Egy szakaszon zajcsökkentő kopóréteget építettek be, kísérleti jelleggel." A teljes cikk:

http://epitesimegoldasok.hu/index.ph...ix_eljarassal_
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Old August 11th, 2010, 09:28 PM   #3519
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Yes, well...
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Old August 11th, 2010, 10:30 PM   #3520
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"A felmart kötőrétegének 60 százalékát újrahasznosítja, és ezzel a felújítás költségeit mintegy 20 százalékkal csökkentheti az a melegremix eljárás, amelyet az M3-as autópálya Kál és Emőd közötti, most felújított szakaszán alkalmaztak. Egy szakaszon zajcsökkentő kopóréteget építettek be, kísérleti jelleggel." A teljes cikk:

http://epitesimegoldasok.hu/index.ph...ix_eljarassal_

I guess that's an interesting article. For hungarians.
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