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Old August 13th, 2010, 07:38 PM   #3541
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Okay. I thought of "my M60" as the only east-west motorway south of M7. In that case, M60 would only be used for traffic bound for Pécs?
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Old August 13th, 2010, 08:09 PM   #3542
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that motorway is really similar to HR A5, regarding both scenery and traffic volumes
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Old August 13th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #3543
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It's a motorway with speed limit 130km/h but there are 110km/h speed limited sections usually before small radius curves. But they will put(or they had already put) these: additional sings below the speed limit sings, which means the speed limit is only operative in case of rain or wet surface.
Is there some clear distinction between motorways and expressways in Hungary or are all M roads considered motorways except probably 2x1 ones?

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Nah, they indicate shops where siamese twins can buy thongs.
That was the first thing which came to my mind, but it seems I was wrong.

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I think they indicate bridges across the Danube.
Thanks. That's quite useful. Even after completion of M8 and M9 bridges Danube is still kind of barrier.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #3544
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Is there some clear distinction between motorways and expressways in Hungary or are all M roads considered motorways except probably 2x1 ones?

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M roads are all roads of the highest class, both expressways and motorways. they can be motorways, 2+2 expressways or 1+1 expressways. signs indicate whether you are on expressway or motorway
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Old August 13th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #3545
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Is there some clear distinction between motorways and expressways in Hungary or are all M roads considered motorways except probably 2x1 ones?
M-roads can be either expressways or motorways, no matter whether they are 2x1 or 2x2 (or 2x3 ). The type of road depends on the sign you see when you enter it:


Motorway (autópálya), speed limit is 130 km/h, or


Expressway (autóút), speed limit 110 km/h.

An expressway can also be numbered as a normal main road, so also in this case the blue sign with the car will tell you it is an expressway, speed limit is 110.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 09:16 PM   #3546
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Thanks for explanations. Is there some list of motorways and expressways where they are distinguished?
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Old August 14th, 2010, 03:34 AM   #3547
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that motorway is really similar to HR A5, regarding both scenery and traffic volumes

yeah, connect them quickly-quickly...
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Old August 14th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #3548
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Thanks for explanations. Is there some list of motorways and expressways where they are distinguished?
Maybe here: http://motorways-exitlists.com/europe/h/hungary.htm
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Old August 16th, 2010, 01:11 PM   #3549
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Some pics from nif.hu

M86 Szeleste bypass:


M86 Szombathely - Vát:


M85 Enese bypass:


Main road 74 Nagykanizsa - Palin


Main road 86 reconstruction in Zala county


Main road 86 reconstruction in Győr-Moson-Spopron county


Main road 61 reconstruction








Main road 61 Nagykanizsa bypass


Main road 72 Balatonfűzfő - Veszprém reconstruction


Villány bypass


Main road 71 Keszthely bypass


Reconstructing of the 8-72 crossing into a grade-separated interchange


Main road 67 Kaposfüred bypass


Reconstructing of main road 76 in Zala county


Reconstructing of road 65137 Balatonendréd - Lulla


Main road 62 railway crossing grade-separating


Main road 13 Komárom bypass


Main road 37 reconstructing inside Szerencs
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Old August 17th, 2010, 02:32 AM   #3550
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Nice update.

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Main road 86 reconstruction in Zala county
I don't quite understand this sign. Does it say that it's forbidden for heavy trucks to drive from Lenti to Tornyiszentmiklós? But the sign is drawn as if there's no Slovenia between the Hungarian roads #86 and M70.
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Old August 17th, 2010, 10:10 AM   #3551
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Some pics from nif.hu
Nice list but don't forget this one:



Main road 5 Szeged bypass

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Old August 17th, 2010, 10:20 AM   #3552
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Nice list but don't forget this one
And this:



Main road 451 Csongrád bypass
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Old August 17th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #3553
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But your M60 has some chances as governments in Hungary (both this one and the previous one) like to build infrastructure to places where it is not needed any way or will be needed only in the far future :-/
M9 and M65 should have been built instead of southern M6 and M60. M9 will be the real east-west national and international corridor through southern Hungary.



This version connects the 3 county capitals (Pécs, Kaposvár, Szekszárd) and it's part of the east-west corridor.

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Old August 18th, 2010, 09:32 AM   #3554
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It is my version. This way M6 after Szekszárd and M60 as a whole could have been cancelled and. M44 could be cancelled as well since M9 is a good choice to Szentes, Orosháza, Békéscsaba and Gyula.
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Old August 18th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #3555
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i like both versions and you both have a point, but i think M9 is exactly the one road that would only have these advantages if it was built completely (or most of it) because otherwise there is no point, it would be called szelleM9 - just to use this very fashionable expression.
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Old August 18th, 2010, 11:04 PM   #3556
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Yeah, I forgot about these two nearly complete bypass.

Anyway do you know something about main road 89 between Szombathely and A border? I heard it was rerouted completely some years ago and the speed limit is 100km/h on it. Could it be true?
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Old August 19th, 2010, 02:07 AM   #3557
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Yes, it is true

It is a completely new road (not that new actually, it was built 5-6 years ago) bypassing all settlements between Szombathely and the border, and the speed limit is 100 km/h. It has T intersections all the way, so there is no cross-traffic. I like this road, much better than the old one going through all the villages, which are built together forming some kind of suburb of Szombathely. This is how the road 89 looks like:

the border crossing Bucsu/Schachendorf:


direction Szombathely:






direction border:


The old road is like this:


all pictures belong to renault25 at http://www.panoramio.com/

Anyway the Austrian B63 also has bypasses, so no settlements have to be driven through between Szombathely and the Austrian A2
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M9 and M65 should have been built instead of southern M6 and M60. M9 will be the real east-west national and international corridor through southern Hungary.



This version connects the 3 county capitals (Pécs, Kaposvár, Szekszárd) and it's part of the east-west corridor.
But M6 is a part of an international corridor 5C (connecting Budapest, Osijek, Sarajevo and the port of Ploce). Croatian motorway A5 (already mostly built) is on that corridor.



Roads you suggest would be more suitable if you only look at Hungary, but they would make connection of Budapest with Sarajevo and Ploce tens of km's longer.
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I'd make a more gentle curve between Budapest and Pécs, and then continue to Osijek. I think it's ridiculous that you have to make such a sharp curve just because of the traffic to Croatia, which is almost inexistent anyway. Perhaps it's because of the hills north and east of Pécs. But then again, there're 4 tunnels on the M6 east of Pécs.

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Old August 21st, 2010, 07:24 AM   #3560
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But M6 is a part of an international corridor 5C (connecting Budapest, Osijek, Sarajevo and the port of Ploce). Croatian motorway A5 (already mostly built) is on that corridor.

but this is only a hypothetical corridor not a real one.

there is no international traffic, and the inland traffic is extremely low... (about 3.000 south of Sekszárd)
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