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Old September 14th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #3641
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I´m not an expert either, so there was an article about those M6-tunnels. If they made the M6 without tunnels they should have removed so much dirt(??) ....(földet), that they could have been built a 3m high 1.5m thick wall around lake-Balaton....It´s kind of a lot!
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yeah and then greenies would have been upset that we ruin the hungarian countryside by cutting through the hills.
Of course they could have built big viaducts, but then others would be upset, like with the M7 viaduct.
They chose the third possibility: tunnels.

Complaining will always be there, no matter which one we choose.

btw: "földet" is earth removed (i guess you could say dirt, i just thought i'd answer your questionmarks )
Of course the tunnels would have to be replaced by combination of viaducts and cuts. Elevated motorway would reduce size of the earthworks. Cutting through couple of small hills won't ruin the countryside. Motorways are being build like this everywhere. I still have feeling those tunnels are there rather to get more money from national budget than due to their actual necessity.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #3642
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M3 between Nyíregyháza and Main road 49 (38 kms, including future M49 interchange) is officially u/c from today.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #3643
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Of course the tunnels would have to be replaced by combination of viaducts and cuts. Elevated motorway would reduce size of the earthworks. Cutting through couple of small hills won't ruin the countryside. Motorways are being build like this everywhere. I still have feeling those tunnels are there rather to get more money from national budget than due to their actual necessity.
i'm not saying you are wrong, i'm just saying whichever option they choose there would be complaining. (like with köröshegy viaduct, where some say it wasn't needed, and they should have built a tunnel. Which they actually proposed but that option was stopped by locals, along with some 20 other routes - hilarious isn't it)
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Old September 14th, 2010, 06:14 PM   #3644
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well, we wont have much else to do in the near future, but to videotape what we have

not many new sections coming, the morons... 500 kms are needed right now, wanna guess how much is under construction?...
Which sections are needed?
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Old September 14th, 2010, 06:34 PM   #3645
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not many new sections coming, the morons...
The morons have to clean up the mess your socialist-liberal pals fxcked up...
Thanx to the economic terror of Peter Megyó, and Ferenc 'hopefully sentenced to 20 years of work camp' Gyúrcsány and his gang yearly we have to pay back nearly 4150 billion HUF (Alone the IMF redemption is 991 billion HUF a year.). From 1982 when the Hungary became a member of the IMF and the World Bank till 1994, the Hungarian state debit reached 4150 billion HUFs mainly in USD. Between 1994 and 2002, we got rid of the IMF and the state debit started to shrink, but thanx to your friends it doubled. Start to play with numbers little boy. How much motorways could be built from the amount of money your beloved liberals and socialists squandered. I truly hope you be political caveman by the time Viktor Orbán quits politics... For this alone it would worth it...
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Old September 14th, 2010, 06:38 PM   #3646
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Which sections are needed?
4 lanes: 425 km
M0 south section - 30 km new + 30 km rebuilt
M0 west+north - 25 km
M10 M3-Pilisvorosvar - 15 km
M4 Ullo-Albertirsa, Abony-Torokszentmiklos, Berettyoujfalu-RO - 75 km
M43 Szeged-RO - 55 km
M8 AT-Kormend, Fuzesabony(M3)-Eger - 45 km
M8/80 Ajka-Veszprem, Varpalota ringroad - 40 km
M85/86 Gyor-Csorna-Szombathely - 90 km
M9 Sopron - 20 km

2 lanes: 342 km
M2 M0-Vac - 30 km
M10 Pilisvorosvar-Dorog - 17 km
M15 M1-SK - 15 km
M35 Debrecen-Berettyoujfalu - 25 km
M4 Abony-Albertirsa - 35 km
M49 Vaja-Csenger - 40 km
M6 remaining - 20 km
M60 Pecs-Szigetvar - 30 km
M9 Kaposvar-Szekszard - 70 km
21 Hatvan-Salgotarjan remaining sections - 35 km
51 M0-Kiskunlachaza - 25 km


thats a conservative list btw
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Old September 14th, 2010, 06:45 PM   #3647
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M3 between Nyíregyháza and Main road 49 (38 kms, including future M49 interchange) is officially u/c from today.
Completion mid-2012?
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Old September 14th, 2010, 06:51 PM   #3648
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The morons have to clean up the mess your socialist-liberal pals fxcked up...
explain to me how a university student turned enterpreneur is pals with the party/ideology hes spent the last, oh, 8 years criticizing?

unlike you, i am intellectually consistent and have been calling them out on their moronic behaviour, like building the m6

what do you think about the m3, a full profile highway your "pals" decided to build even though it wont even have an AADT of 5,000?


on second thought, dont bother, i already know your answer

but just so we're clear, from the same money we are spending on a 30 km section for a sub 5,000 AADT 2x2+1 in the poorest county, we could have all of this built in the region:

1. nr 4 around Nyirtass - 6 km ~ 1 Mrd Ft
2. nr 49 Vaja-RO - 50 km ~ 7,5 Mrd Ft
3. nr 38 Tokaj ringroad + new Tisza bridge, - 30 km ~ 4,5 Mrd Ft + bridge
4. nr 471 Debrecen-Mateszalka - 50 km ~ 7,5 Mrd Ft
5. nr 37 Miskolc - 6 km, Satoraljaujhely ringroad - 6 km, ~ 2 Mrd Ft
6. nr 3 ringroads between Miskolc-SK - 19 km ~ 3 Mrd Ft
7. nr 26 Sajoszentpeter ringroad - 10 km ~ 1,5 Mrd Ft

now, what u say to that, pal?
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:01 PM   #3649
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explain to me how a university student turned enterpreneur is pals with the party/ideology hes spent the last, oh, 8 years criticizing?
why? whats said is said.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:02 PM   #3650
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The morons have to clean up the mess your socialist-liberal pals fxcked up...
Thanx to the economic terror of Peter Megyó, and Ferenc 'hopefully sentenced to 20 years of work camp' Gyúrcsány and his gang yearly we have to pay back nearly 4150 billion HUF (Alone the IMF redemption is 991 billion HUF a year.). From 1982 when the Hungary became a member of the IMF and the World Bank till 1994, the Hungarian state debit reached 4150 billion HUFs mainly in USD. Between 1994 and 2002, we got rid of the IMF and the state debit started to shrink, but thanx to your friends it doubled. Start to play with numbers little boy. How much motorways could be built from the amount of money your beloved liberals and socialists squandered. I truly hope you be political caveman by the time Viktor Orbán quits politics... For this alone it would worth it...
you cant even spell his name

but since your unconditional, blind and misguided hatred is shooting through your post is see no reason to bore other readers

i for one will judge the next 4 years based on the way they treat the secondary and tertiary roads, from the roughly 2 bn EUR a year gap that exists between the tax on everything with an internal combustion engine on the roads versus the amount spent on the roads, it would be possible to resurface ALL of the tertiary roads and rebuild ALL of the secondary roads
since these roads should have a lifespan of 30/20 years, ill be applauding "your pals" if they manage 4/30th and 4/20th
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #3651
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Completion mid-2012?
According to the website of the main constructor, the deadline for completion is the 30th of December 2011.

http://www.colas.hu/index.php/hir/mind/
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:12 PM   #3652
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you cant even spell his name
Who's?

Viktor Orbán, ok.
Megyó is Megyó...
Ferid? I have written it like that on purpose.

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but since your ... hatred is shooting through your post
Yes it does.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 07:25 PM   #3653
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According to the website of the main constructor, the deadline for completion is the 30th of December 2011.

http://www.colas.hu/index.php/hir/mind/
Gotta be a world record, building a greenfield motorway of 38 kilometers in around 15 months, including winter
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Old September 14th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #3654
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Thank you for your videos bogdymol!
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Old September 14th, 2010, 10:42 PM   #3655
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Qtya, Gramercy

I wish we had got that kind of problems with buliding motorways in Poland. we are not even half advanced as you are...

our morons (politicians) still live on different planet (which is not even positioned in Solar System)

anyway I will be testing your motorways soon (Villany wine festival) !
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Old September 14th, 2010, 10:52 PM   #3656
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When are they going to open the first motorways to Romania and to Ukraine?
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Old September 14th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #3657
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When are they going to open the first motorways to Romania and to Ukraine?
quite simply we dont know, since there are no 2x2 (or even 2x1) connections u/c or being announced to reach those borders

we should also point out that until there is no 2x2 coming from the other direction, theres no point in building empty highways
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What about M34, M43 and M49?
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What about M34, M43 and M49?
M43 is only u/c til Mako bypass, after that, who knows..
M49 will only be half profile, as it should be, and will probably terminate ~ 10 kms before the RO border linking into nr 49
M34 is nowhere and frankly when the traffic will demand it we should widen nr 4 into a 2x2 main road instead of this, a simple main road would be enough from Mateszalka to Zahony, I think we should link up to Beregszasz instead
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Really, I thought M34 would be more profitable than M3 to Ukraine as a motorway. It connects to Uzhhorod and Ukrainian M06 to L'viv and Kiev. One of the most important cross-UA routes.
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