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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:09 AM   #3741
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I never really understood this archeologist thing. Is this like this everywhere, or just in Hungary?

Are they digging up the ENTIRE site or just portions? If portions only, how to they pick?

Does this make sense or is this just some clever scheme whereas some archeologist lobby somehow managed to have this included in some law?
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:26 AM   #3742
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It's like that everywhere. I think it's logical. If you're already digging out soil, at least collect everything valuable before it's covered with a road forever. It takes a bit longer to construct a road, but it's worth it IMO.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 02:46 AM   #3743
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I never really understood this archeologist thing. Is this like this everywhere, or just in Hungary?

Are they digging up the ENTIRE site or just portions? If portions only, how to they pick?

Does this make sense or is this just some clever scheme whereas some archeologist lobby somehow managed to have this included in some law?
I will tell you like archaeologist
nobody digs entire construction site But they dig where probably are some historical sites OR/ such were reported by local population/workers (if they find some ceramics, burial places, or remnants of dwellings )
And of course there is a law that stipulates that before any construction, archaeological excavation MUST be conducted
Archaeologists come and make some pits (random in generally) to determine if something is worth excavating

And IF they found something interesting they conduct full scale investigation and everything stops

yes, you can kill me now
PS : and YES, it;s everywhere
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Old October 13th, 2010, 07:22 AM   #3744
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They usually have thorough maps of the main historical sites. I witnessed when an employee at the Museum of History in Sibiu told to a contractor he will definitely find something when digging in a specific place, at a specific kilometer. And he was completely right, at that specific kilometer the contractor did found some pottery and the works have had to stop for awhile.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 11:15 AM   #3745
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Yes, first they research which areas have potential for archeological findings, then they dig those areas for it. As far as I know, they do not excavate the entire route. Archeological surveys usually last a few months. Motorway construction is thus valuable to archeologists, as they can survey areas they normally wouldn't survey.

Archeological surveys are done on every motorway project in Europe; from Serbia to the Netherlands and from Romania to Sweden.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 11:16 AM   #3746
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Thanks folks. If there is enough motorway construction, sooner or later I am sure they are gonna find the tomb of Attila the Hun. :-)
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:33 PM   #3747
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I'm eagerly waiting for the underwater motorway in the Danube!
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:41 PM   #3748
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WTF?!

M9 IS NOT EVEN U/C YET?! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!
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Old October 13th, 2010, 12:50 PM   #3749
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The development zone, or the future path of M9 looked like this in MAY:

http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/872/m9_...mu_fout_kozott

What the hell is going on?! Na most szét bxsz az ideg, így is szxr napom volt eddig...

I have to go and check it out myself!!!
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Old October 13th, 2010, 09:38 PM   #3750
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They know quite accurately where to look for hidden artifacts.


- firstly they have books on all historical events, lokations

- then they have collected evidence from all parts of the country since some 100 years. Eg. while tiling people find this and in the field that that they submit to museums. They know where these were found.

- prior to any actual work they walk the entire lenght of the project and look for hints

- these days they also use satelite photos or areal inspection

- when stripping off the top soil the hidden secrets are revealed immediately. Eg. if there is a tomb, the soil inside of the tomb is a mixed (eg. mixed humus with yellow under soil) while the surroundings are uniformly yellow. That draws obviously and clearly where the tomb is and where to dig.

- where it is not that clear they make long search trenches and look for this kind of signs. Since artifacts do not stand alone, this way they certainly will run into something interesting and then they only have to figure which way to expand/extend.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #3751
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Prime Minister Orban announced yesterday that all PPP projects where implementation is not yet started will be cancelled to be able to meet budget deficit requirements. Does this have an impact on any motorway constructions projects?
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Old October 14th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #3752
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I will tell you like archaeologist
nobody digs entire construction site But they dig where probably are some historical sites OR/ such were reported by local population/workers (if they find some ceramics, burial places, or remnants of dwellings )
And of course there is a law that stipulates that before any construction, archaeological excavation MUST be conducted
Archaeologists come and make some pits (random in generally) to determine if something is worth excavating

And IF they found something interesting they conduct full scale investigation and everything stops

yes, you can kill me now
PS : and YES, it;s everywhere
Archeological digs happen just about everywhere. Generally where where people are known to have lived in ancient times, as well if artifacts are found. In Germany (and I think a few other countries) the Military also has to conduct an investigation as well, for rather obvious reasons.
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Old October 14th, 2010, 10:49 PM   #3753
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Prime Minister Orban announced yesterday that all PPP projects where implementation is not yet started will be cancelled to be able to meet budget deficit requirements. Does this have an impact on any motorway constructions projects?
No. There are currently no ongoing PPP motorway developments.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 12:31 AM   #3754
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PPP is too risky in current times of financial uncertainty and banks demanding over-the-top securities.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #3755
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Intersection of main road no. 5 and the 3rd circular road in Szeged













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Old October 18th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #3756
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Hi guys, I'm just curious why is the M15 designated as a motorway since its just a 2X1 road?
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Old October 18th, 2010, 08:18 PM   #3757
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M15 = autóút (expressway). M does not mean Motorway.
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Old October 19th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #3758
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Hi guys, I'm just curious why is the M15 designated as a motorway since its just a 2X1 road?
Yes, it's not a motorway, only expressway with 90 km/h speed limit.

As I know there are no expressways in Romania but I think you have standards for expressways. Or not?
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Old October 19th, 2010, 12:22 PM   #3759
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The National Infrastructure Developer said today M43 Szeged - Makó will be done "sometime in the first half of 2011".
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Old October 19th, 2010, 06:55 PM   #3760
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Yes, it's not a motorway, only expressway with 90 km/h speed limit.

As I know there are no expressways in Romania but I think you have standards for expressways. Or not?
But in fact Romania have almost the biggest expressway network of the world: 100 km/h general speed limit...
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