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Old November 1st, 2010, 04:13 PM   #3781
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If you guys, could deside to use money of 100-200 Kms of motorway in H, where would you put it??
What is the most urgent part of motorway in H which is not built yet!!
...any suggestions?
I would put it on complete the M0 west of Budapest (I've never heard of a route numbered zero before), dualling the M15 and the M9 in Western Hungary...
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Old November 1st, 2010, 04:32 PM   #3782
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(I've never heard of a route numbered zero before)
/another example: Bruxelles ring is R0.../
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Old November 1st, 2010, 05:34 PM   #3783
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Only 6800 cars/day on road 43? Everytime I go on that road I see it's crowded and most of the time cars are going bumper-to-bumper (at least on the Szeged - Mako section). Near the border I have to admit it's not that bad, but it could be better.
It's busier between Szeged and Makó, of course (10,000-16,000), but a motorway is U/C there anyway. Between Makó and Apátfalva it's 8,910 AADT.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 11:20 AM   #3784
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The most important: Inner motorway ring /M8/ (Győr M1 !! -) Veszprém 8 - Dunaújváros M6 - Kecskemét M5 - Szolnok (- Füzesabony M3/M25 !)
Are they really planning that ring from Gyor to Szolnok? From the map of the future motorways there is no sign of a motorway between Gyor and Vezsprem.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 12:18 PM   #3785
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Are they really planning that ring from Gyor to Szolnok? From the map of the future motorways there is no sign of a motorway between Gyor and Vezsprem.
Sadly the Győr-Veszprém section is a missing link in the future network. It could help a lot to relieve the crowded motorways around Budapest (especially M1 and M0).

The Veszprém-Dunaújváros-Kecskemét-Szolnok motorway is under designing.

http://www.nif.hu/fejlesztesek/gyors...e_-_kecskemet_

http://www.nif.hu/szerzodesek/gyorsf...i_terveinek_es
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 12:48 PM   #3786
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Sadly the Győr-Veszprém section is a missing link in the future network. It could help a lot to relieve the crowded motorways around Budapest (especially M1 and M0).
How so? Is it not faster to take route 82 directly than to detour all the way to Budapest? Maybe route 82 just needs to be upgraded to a eurostandard 5.5m 1x1 road?
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 06:46 PM   #3787
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How so? Is it not faster to take route 82 directly than to detour all the way to Budapest? Maybe route 82 just needs to be upgraded to a eurostandard 5.5m 1x1 road?
Road 82 is an average quality main road designed for 90 km/h, width 7,0 m and i think it's the nicest main road of Hungary:







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There is no huge problem with this road but no suitable for fast traffic.
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Old November 2nd, 2010, 07:15 PM   #3788
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Road 82 is an average quality main road designed for 90 km/h, width 7,0 m and i think it's the nicest main road of Hungary:
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There is no huge problem with this road but no suitable for fast traffic.
Surely route 82 is much faster than driving via Budapest, so how would upgrading route 82 to a motorway relieve traffic on the M0? It really looks like a nice road. Does it get congested?
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 10:02 AM   #3789
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Surely route 82 is much faster than driving via Budapest, so how would upgrading route 82 to a motorway relieve traffic on the M0? It really looks like a nice road. Does it get congested?
Hungarian road network is extremely Budapest centered so almost all of transit traffic go through Budapest agglomeration. Driving on motorways is much faster to go accross hungary than 82 like roads. (Although lots of camions choose alternate routes -> 81, 82, 62, 52, 53, making these roads terrible.)

This median motorway ring could offer a good alternative for directions M1-M5 /E75/, M1-44, M8-M4 /E66-E60/, M7-M3 /E71/ without rising of length.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 12:08 PM   #3790
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If you guys, could deside to use money of 100-200 Kms of motorway in H, where would you put it??
What is the most urgent part of motorway in H which is not built yet!!
...any suggestions?


(0. M0 south upgrade 2x2-> 2x3 U/C)
1. M10
2. M0 west
3. M4
4. M2 (M0-Vác upgrade 2x1-> 2x2)
5. M43 (Mako-ROM)
6. M15 (upgrade 2x1->2x2)
7. M1 (M0-Győr upgrade 2x2->2x3)
8. M8/85/86
9. M3 (upgrade M31-M25 2x2->2x3)
10. M7 (upgrade M0-710 2+3->2x3)
11. M2 (Vác-SK)
12. M3 (Nyíregyháza-Mátészalka U/C)
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Old November 5th, 2010, 01:00 PM   #3791
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I would definitely extend this system with the M35-Berettyóújfalú-Romanian border(Bors) motorway section.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #3792
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I would definitely extend this system with the M35-Berettyóújfalú-Romanian border(Bors) motorway section.
I'm already over the limit (200 km - and I didn't count the upgrades ), so if you want M35, we should drop something. Which section?
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Old November 5th, 2010, 02:53 PM   #3793
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M8/85/86 probably is sufficient in half profile. Also the enlargement on M1 is probably sufficient till Tatabanya, on M3 till Hatvan and on M7 till Szekesfehervar. Usually traffic decreases really fast after a big aglomeration, and after the last suburbs is less than half of the initial value.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #3794
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very good ideas, thanks. I´m wondering, what about M5-M3 upgrad to 2x3 let´s say the first 25Km or more from Bp. Is it necessery or could wait a while..
(I know, there are plans for M1)
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Old November 5th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #3795
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very good ideas, thanks. I´m wondering, what about M5-M3 upgrad to 2x3 let´s say the first 25Km or more from Bp. Is it necessery or could wait a while..
(I know, there are plans for M1)
Originally in the 60-70's motorways were planned to be upgredable to 2x3:

M1 Budapest-Bicske
M3 Budapest-Hatvan (M21)
M5 Budapest-Dabas (M4, today 405)
M7 Budapest-Lepsény (M71)

But only M7 was constructed with wide median.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 05:30 PM   #3796
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M0 widening yesterday:

bridge over the Danube branch:
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DSC09869 by hanzi13, on Flickr

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DSC09870 by hanzi13, on Flickr

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DSC09871 by hanzi13, on Flickr

+ overpass over main road 510 and suburban railway:
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DSC09873 by hanzi13, on Flickr
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Old November 6th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #3797
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Credit to Windblower! M0 extension...

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Néhány kép az M0 építéséről

A Diósd-Törökbálint út feletti híd alulról


M0 az M7/M1 irányában


M0 a Duna-híd irányában. Az első képen látható hídszélesítés felülről
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Old November 6th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #3798
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^ Wow! Impressive pics!
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Old November 6th, 2010, 09:19 PM   #3799
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Nice pics!

I have 3 questions for the Hungarian users of SSC:
1. Is M0 going to be widened to 3+3 on entire south section (from M1 to M5)?
2. What is the completion date for Tisza bridge in Szeged (M43)?
3. Is the vignette necessary on main road 43 Szeged - Mako - Nagylak for cars (<3.5t)?
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Old November 6th, 2010, 09:55 PM   #3800
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M0 is going to be widened to 2x3+ee.
I think M43 Tisza-bridge is going to be ready at spring´11.
and I don´t know the answer for the last one.
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