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Old December 19th, 2010, 11:11 PM   #3881
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^ I thought it was from the UK, but doesn't it have an unusual red edge? I guess it's just a text.
You can have a border on a UK numberplate if you want. A lot of the time you'll get the car dealer's name at the bottom in small text and a border around the rest of the number incorporating this text. Sometimes they use a colour like red for whatever reason.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 01:04 PM   #3882
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Local officials declare that the construction of M44 will begin next year between the towns of Kondoros and Tiszakürt.

http://hvg.hu/cegauto.kozlekedes/201...eso_2010_12_21
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Old December 27th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #3883
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What do the colors on this map mean?
Is it the following?
Motorways(130)-orange
Expressways(110)-green
National 2x2 roads(90)-light blue
National I class roads(90)-gray with thin red line
National II class roads(90)-only gray

And the red(U/C),black(railway crossing) and green(opened) circles along the border are border crossings, aren't they? They seem quite a lot in some areas. Maybe they are proportioned to hunagrian population living near the borders?
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Old December 27th, 2010, 01:54 AM   #3884
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Legend
-Motorway (orange)
-Expressway (green)
-important main road with 2x2 lanes (light blue)

-main road (existing) (thin grey)
-main road (existing, to be developed) (thick grey)
-main road (planned, new track) (grey+red)
-main road (planned, by rebuilding an existing minor road) (grey+dark red)

Connecting high-speed roads in neighbouring countries:
-according to present plans from the countries (lime)
-alternative and accessory possibilities (brownish)
-main road connection development possibilities (light blue)
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Old December 27th, 2010, 10:04 AM   #3885
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What do the colors on this map mean?
Is it the following?
Motorways(130)-orange
Expressways(110)-green
National 2x2 roads(90)-light blue
National I class roads(90)-gray with thin red line
National II class roads(90)-only gray

And the red(U/C),black(railway crossing) and green(opened) circles along the border are border crossings, aren't they? They seem quite a lot in some areas. Maybe they are proportioned to hunagrian population living near the borders?
Right but please not thes are plans which we all know will never be realized :-)
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Old December 27th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #3886
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Nagyvárad-Miskolc:
I noticed that every vehicle in this video had their headlights on. Is there some sort of enforcement where headlights are required to be on all the time during the day?
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Old December 27th, 2010, 01:19 PM   #3887
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I noticed that every vehicle in this video had their headlights on. Is there some sort of enforcement where headlights are required to be on all the time during the day?
compulsory on interurban sections 24/7
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Old December 29th, 2010, 10:43 AM   #3888
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It seems our current government is slowly reshaping our national expressway development plans. Their communication is a pile of crap, and we only see bits of information concerning their intentions.

It seems the priority(?) concerning the motorway connection with Romania is shifting towards M35. (Nevertheless, Index Online Hungarian news portal wrote yesterday, basing on the information provided by the National Information Developer, that the last 23 km of M43 between Makó and Nagylak will be built until May of 2013. So the call for tender will be announced next spring. (http://index.hu/gazdasag/magyar/2010...agyar_sztrada/) I'm kinda' sceptic though.)

Yesterday the call for tender was announced for the planning of the Debrecen-Berettyóújfalú section.

(http://www.nif.hu/hu/hirek/Hamarosan...n-Berettyoujfa)

The deadline for generating competing offers from different bidders is the 7th of February, 2011.

Is there a possibility of a potential political pressure towards the Romanian politicians from the Hungarian side to build the Transylvanian Motorway instead of the A1 by putting the M43 on hold, and favouring the M35? What do you think?

Maybe it’s just a conspiracy theory, since the last section of M43 has an already awarded EU funding.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 11:20 AM   #3889
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M43 is more important I think, it will have a much bigger traffic to deal with when its finally ready. Im not against building M35 to Oradea, but I honestly believe that M4 would be a much bigger help. All the romanian/moldavian drivers use road no. 4 instead of going on a deroute via M35/M3 to Budapest, and I dont think this will change when M35 reaches the border. But thats only my opinion.

All in all I think Hungary should have at least 2 motorway connections to Romania, maybe 3 (=I never really understood why M3 goes to Ukraine, and not to northern Romania from Mátészalka -towards Satu Mare, Sighetu Marmatei-. I mean road 4 serves the traffic from/to Ukraine quite well I think...)

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Old December 29th, 2010, 11:56 AM   #3890
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Yes, M4 is about 70 kilometers shorter than via M3-M35. M3 is very good for domestic transport to the cities in Eastern Hungary, but not very useful from Budapest to Oradea. However, the M4 is less interesting from a Hungarian point of view as it doesn't connect large cities (Szolnok has only around 75.000 inhabitants), plus most towns are already bypassed. I agree a motorway would be better though, but finishing M43 is more important now.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 11:57 AM   #3891
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main roads 47 from Debrecen-Berettyoujfalu and 42 from Puspokladany-RO have just been repaved

their traffic seldom exceeds 10.000, all that's needed in the area is ~15 kms of ringroads around 5 towns/villages

it is much more important to build ~ 50 kms of highway and ~ 50 km of half profile from Budapest to Torokszentmiklos, making a ~ 100 km of 2x2 (M4)

unfortunately the new government displays signs of everything but reason and logic
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Old December 29th, 2010, 01:56 PM   #3892
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Is there a possibility of a potential political pressure towards the Romanian politicians from the Hungarian side to build the Transylvanian Motorway instead of the A1 by putting the M43 on hold, and favouring the M35? What do you think?

Maybe it’s just a conspiracy theory, since the last section of M43 has an already awarded EU funding.
AFAIK in Romania the A1 is founded by the EU while the A3 isn't, so the A1 has much bigger chance to be built earlyer.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 02:19 PM   #3893
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^ Exactly!

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Is there a possibility of a potential political pressure towards the Romanian politicians from the Hungarian side to build the Transylvanian Motorway instead of the A1 by putting the M43 on hold, and favouring the M35? What do you think?

Maybe it’s just a conspiracy theory, since the last section of M43 has an already awarded EU funding.
That won't happen anytime soon and the reason is simple: while A1 towards Nagylak is co-financed by the EU, for the time being there is simply no money left for A3 (Transylvania Motorway). And for A3 the EU Comission won't spare a nickel, because the former socialist government decided not to organize a tender but to directly award to Bechtel the building of A3. Even more, the Romanian government should pay a debt of 65 million € to Bechtel for the works executed this year.
Plus, a large tender is put in place in Romania as we speak for almost all sections of A1 between Nagylak/Nădlac and Sibiu. All tender documentation, including drawings, can be downloaded from the Romanian National Company of Motorways and National Roads's website:
- Nădlac-Arad;
- Arad-Timişoara is already under construction and it should be completed by 2012;
- Timişoara-Lugoj;
- Lugoj-Deva (Lot1);
- Lugoj-Deva (Lot 2) - no tender yet, hopefully in early March 2011;
- Deva-Orăştie already awarded to Strabag AG, the works should start in late February or early March 2011;
- Orăstie-Sibiu;
- Sibiu bypass was already opened for traffic since December 1.

It means that from now on, for Romania is much more important to finish A1. Indeed, there are some rumors spread in Romanian media that the government is negotiating with Bechtel in an attempt to turn the current contract in a PPP, but I doubt it can be realized.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #3894
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(=I never really understood why M3 goes to Ukraine, and not to northern Romania from Mátészalka -towards Satu Mare, Sighetu Marmatei-. I mean road 4 serves the traffic from/to Ukraine quite well I think...)
Because Ukraine is much bigger than northern Romania.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #3895
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Because Ukraine is much bigger than northern Romania.
Slovenia is a small country, so why is a motorway linking Budapest with it, and not Budapest with Kiev?

I think that we shoudn't compare countries by their size, but by the traffic, and I am almost sure that Romania brings more traffic to eastern Hungary than Ukraine.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 06:05 PM   #3896
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Slovenia is a small country, so why is a motorway linking Budapest with it, and not Budapest with Kiev?

I think that we shoudn't compare countries by their size, but by the traffic, and I am almost sure that Romania brings more traffic to eastern Hungary than Ukraine.
M49 will be built towards Satu Mare.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #3897
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Because Ukraine is much bigger than northern Romania.
However, M3 will lead to a completely uninteresting part of Ukraine where there are no major roads to the rest of UA. The whole area between Uzhhorod to Chernivtsy is kind of a remote area from a UA perspective. You have M06 at Uzhhorod and M19 near Chernivtsi, but no major roads in between, nor large cities. Northern Romania has larger cities like Baia and Satu Mare.

I think the Ukrainians will focus on existing routes, and a motorway through the Carpathians outside the M06 corridor seems really far fetched at this moment. It would be more interesting if Hungarian M3 would run towards Záhony with a higher priority than M34. M49 would take care of Northern Romania.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 06:33 PM   #3898
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But when Ukraine builds that motorway, it won't be an uninteresting part of Ukraine any more (anyway, there's already a road there). Until then, Hungary probably just won't build M3.

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Slovenia is a small country, so why is a motorway linking Budapest with it, and not Budapest with Kiev?
Because M7 also leads to Croatia and Italy. And M70 is an expressway. Also, M3 doesn't end far from Ukraine.
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However, M3 will lead to a completely uninteresting part of Ukraine where there are no major roads to the rest of UA. The whole area between Uzhhorod to Chernivtsy is kind of a remote area from a UA perspective. You have M06 at Uzhhorod and M19 near Chernivtsi, but no major roads in between, nor large cities. Northern Romania has larger cities like Baia and Satu Mare.

I think the Ukrainians will focus on existing routes, and a motorway through the Carpathians outside the M06 corridor seems really far fetched at this moment. It would be more interesting if Hungarian M3 would run towards Záhony with a higher priority than M34. M49 would take care of Northern Romania.
Youre right. And to make my point clear: its completely idiotic with the last parts of M3. I mean every truck driver going to UA must use road 4 from Nyiregyháza. He has no other choice. So either M3 should go to Záhony, or to Satu Mare. The current road will end in nowhere, with no traffic :-)
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Old December 29th, 2010, 07:15 PM   #3900
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Zakarpattia Oblast is not uninteresting at all. It's quite strategic region for Ukraine (this little Oblast borders 4 countries) - it is important from transportation point of view. Now it's mostly about railways, but importance of road transport will grow. You have to drive via Mukachevo if you want to get from Budapest to Lviv or Kiev. Ukraine will probably never generate as much traffic in Hungary as Romania, but motorway connection of H and UA definitely makes sense. Not to mention, 12% of inhabitants of Zakarpattia are Hungarians.
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