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Old August 20th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #4601
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Old August 20th, 2011, 12:56 PM   #4602
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When construction stretches M43 Mako-Naglak and M2 Budapest-Vac should be started ?
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Old August 20th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #4603
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I wonder, have there ever been plans to build a bridge over lake Balaton at Tihani-Zamardi?
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #4604
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I wonder, have there ever been plans to build a bridge over lake Balaton at Tihani-Zamardi?
Sometimes yes, but not real. Would be costly unbelievably. This is the possible parameters:

Total length: 1 600m (1000m bridge, 600m embankment)
Longest span: 300m
Vertical clearance: min 30m
Cost: ~70-80bn HUF (270-300 million Euro)

Would be similar to the Megyeri bridge (1800m long, l.sp.: 300m, cl: 30m):
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:11 PM   #4605
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I wonder, have there ever been plans to build a bridge over lake Balaton at Tihani-Zamardi?
never more than pipe dreams

and between ecomentalists and corrupt politicians, we're better off without it
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM   #4606
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Lake Balaton is shallow. A bored tunnel would be possible I suppose. The Westerschelde Tunnel in the Netherlands (twin-tube, 6.600 m, max 60 m below sea level) was relatively cheap at € 725 million.
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:23 PM   #4607
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2x1 tunnel would be enough, there is absolutely no need for a 2x2 connection let alone a megyeri like 2x3

if built at all, it should be a private concession with no government money and no public risk

but i dont think it would ever make a return

and it should probably be an immersed tube
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #4608
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2x2 is necessary because current European tunnel legislation generally requires two tubes for longer road tunnels. As 2x2 would be similarly expensive as 2x1, it's better to make it 2x2.
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:37 PM   #4609
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whats 'longer'? it would be all of 1200 m
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:42 PM   #4610
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I suppose anything that qualifies as a tunnel (over 250 m). It's fairly new legislation.
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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #4611
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Lake Balaton is shallow.
This is not true in this area. The Tihany deep is 12,5m +10-20m flimsy mud in the deep. The tunnel building is impossible:

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Old August 20th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #4612
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There should be enough space for sailboats passing under such a bridge, so it would be very high, possibly ruining the landscape. I think the ferry is OK for the next few decades. The deepest point of the Balaton is 12m, which is in the strait between Tihany and Szántód (where this tunnel would be)...
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Old August 20th, 2011, 09:01 PM   #4613
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This is not true in this area. The Tihany deep is 12,5m +10-20m flimsy mud in the deep. The tunnel building is impossible:
12 - 20 m can be considered shallow. There are tunnels in Norway that are 200+ meters below sea level, and are not longer than 5.5 km. Since 30 - 40 m is deep enough, you'll need a much shorter tunnel (more like 1 - 2 km) which is far from "impossible".
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Old August 20th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #4614
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Why??? This is not a major route in any meening, so when(if) M8 will be finnished, than you have two motorways to choose around the lake. That is more than enough for the next many years to come.
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Old August 20th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #4615
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A fixed link is an economical long-term investment. They're cheaper to operate than ferries in the long run. And cleaner, though that wouldn't be my main argument. It's by no means a certainty this link will be constructed, but it's good to discuss it.
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Old August 20th, 2011, 09:51 PM   #4616
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If you draw a straight line from Viena to Belgrade...

Anyway, how much does it cost to cross Balaton by a ferry?
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Old August 20th, 2011, 10:01 PM   #4617
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I understand it, but there is no need. This is not a major cross-country route in any meening and if you don´t count june-august, hardly any traffic at all. The money can be used much more efficient other places.
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Old August 20th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #4618
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I got that. How about the ferry price?
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Old August 20th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #4619
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its less than €8 for 1 person + 1 car
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Old August 21st, 2011, 02:14 PM   #4620
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Cheap. Thank you very much for the information.
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