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Old November 24th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #4841
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Very clever.
The purpose of a fine is not to make money on people.
yes, first priority is to get them to buy the vignette in the first place
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Old November 28th, 2011, 10:11 AM   #4842
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AFAIK it is being considered to make all major roads part of the sticker system in Hungary, in return the yearly sticker would cost around half of the current price.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #4843
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I read about this too; didn't they implement the mandatory "all-roads" vignette in Romania some years ago?
70-year-old Uncle Józsi, who never ever enters a motorway with his car, won't profit of the reduced sticker price; for citizens like him, the all-roads vignette obligation will be another rip-off.
Also, what about tourists and Hungarian vacationers coming from Austria to Lake Balaton (no motorway yet, so no vignette), will they have to buy a vignette for driving on clogged Main Road 84?
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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:40 AM   #4844
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this is sick
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Old November 28th, 2011, 11:41 AM   #4845
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What is the current taxation in Hungary? Do you have to pay a road tax (apart from matrica)? Or is it only a car purchase tax or excise duty?
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:22 PM   #4846
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- special registration tax upon purchase
- 25% vat on purchase, 27% next year
- special fee every time the vehicle changes hands incl. the first time
- annual tax based on power output, channeled to local councils
- special tax incorporated into the fuel price + 25% vat on fuel and on this tax, 27% next year
- compulsory biannual mechanical + environmental testing for a fee
- compulsory insurance, new special tax on this from next year, 20-25%
- vignette for motorways, + main roads for speditors
- parking fees everywhere, administered by private companies owned by asskissers
- out-of-control police tactics to ticket ppl left and right


we spend less than 1.5bn eur on roads annually (a quarter-third of it is corruption) while motorists pay 4+ bn

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this is why my car will have an sk plate from next year

sons of bitches
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #4847
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we spend less than 1.5bn eur on roads annually (a quarter-third of it is corruption) while motorists pay 4+ bn
Sounds like the Netherlands, only the figures are 16 bn vs 3.5 bn. So it could be worse
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:49 PM   #4848
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this is why my car will have an sk plate from next year
But as I heard, the government wants to stop this from next year and punish those who still drive illegaly with foreign plates.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:52 PM   #4849
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- special registration tax upon purchase
- 25% vat on purchase, 27% next year
- special fee every time the vehicle changes hands incl. the first time
- annual tax based on power output, channeled to local councils
- special tax incorporated into the fuel price + 25% vat on fuel and on this tax, 27% next year
- compulsory biannual mechanical + environmental testing for a fee
- compulsory insurance, new special tax on this from next year, 20-25%
- vignette for motorways, + main roads for speditors
- parking fees everywhere, administered by private companies owned by asskissers
- out-of-control police tactics to ticket ppl left and right


we spend less than 1.5bn eur on roads annually (a quarter-third of it is corruption) while motorists pay 4+ bn

SICK

this is why my car will have an sk plate from next year

sons of bitches
you are going to do like my fellow romanians did with bulgarian plates i think almost 5-10% of the entire romanian car fleet is registrated in other countries. I dont blame you for SK plates
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Old November 28th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #4850
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Very well said gramercy.
I never had a H-registered car as I am not a resident, but an "all-roads" vignette would concern me as well when travelling there ...

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Sounds like the Netherlands, only the figures are 16 bn vs 3.5 bn. So it could be worse
The Netherlands and Switzerland are a li'l bit far from being model countries for automobilists. Yet the financial burden they have to bear is somewhat less than in Hungary, if we compare NL/CH and Hungarian incomes.

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But as I heard, the government wants to stop this from next year and punish those who still drive illegaly with foreign plates.
They have already been doing this for years (the VPOP, or whatever its current name is). Will there be some major step-up here?
I heard that with an authorization from the owner of the foreign-registered car that has a validity of 30 days maximum, you're in the clear ... this is what I would have to prepare if lending my car to somebody in Hungary.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 01:10 PM   #4851
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But as I heard, the government wants to stop this from next year and punish those who still drive illegaly with foreign plates.
The goernment can do nohing if he puts residence in Sloakia or if hemakes a company in Slovakia and uses company car with slovak plates. The government can only in these cases bother him and checks if he is really making some business or lviing in Slovakia, but in that case they have to ask the slovk authorities.

Anyway I suggest him to take sk plates of cities far from the hungarian border, so he will not be stopped.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #4852
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But as I heard, the government wants to stop this from next year and punish those who still drive illegaly with foreign plates.
not if its a company car
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Old November 28th, 2011, 03:50 PM   #4853
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Sounds like the Netherlands, only the figures are 16 bn vs 3.5 bn. So it could be worse
yes, except most of our expenditure comes from eu subsidies
annual road budget from the central budget is around 350 mil... this from a 40 bn eur expenditure
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Old November 29th, 2011, 11:47 AM   #4854
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I read about this too; didn't they implement the mandatory "all-roads" vignette in Romania some years ago?
I think they did, but it is an entirely different story, for a number of reasons.

And yes, it does sound like some extra tax on motorists.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #4855
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I think they did, but it is an entirely different story, for a number of reasons.

And yes, it does sound like some extra tax on motorists.
Yes, vignette is needed in Romania on all motorways and national roads. Only Bulgaria and Romania apply this system currently in Europe afaik.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:36 PM   #4856
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Albania too, if I am not mistaken.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:43 PM   #4857
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Since Hungary got a well developed motorway network I think it's a nonsense to extend the vignette's scope! Lesser that more money will not flow to the local transport authority. At the moment I think the price for a tranzit vignette is low enough for foreigners, compared to Slovenia for instance!

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you are going to do like my fellow romanians did with bulgarian plates i think almost 5-10% of the entire romanian car fleet is registrated in other countries. I dont blame you for SK plates
I heard that it is going to be changed since the Bulgarian insurance alliance complained to the government that too many road accidants are made whit BG plate' cars drived by Romanians in Romania, which costs too much for the insurance' companies. I don't know if its 100% true, but there are some government movements that want to stop registring of RO cars in Bulgaria for sure!
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Old November 29th, 2011, 12:56 PM   #4858
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- compulsory insurance, new special tax on this from next year, 20-25%
I thought this suggested "medicare insurance" tax was 30%. The rationale behind it was that the government does not levy taxes on the people, it charges the companies instead. So the fairly simple and meek falks will blame those companies for having to pay more while the government can claim that they are just trying to protect the people. IMHO this kind of double talk leads up to the mafia type establishment that characterizes today's Hungary.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #4859
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you are going to do like my fellow romanians did with bulgarian plates i think almost 5-10% of the entire romanian car fleet is registrated in other countries. I dont blame you for SK plates
In Hungary, this is done mainly with Slovak- and German-registered vehicles. The German-plated ones are often genuine rental cars (from some rental company) "long-time rented" by residents of Hungary. The Slovak ones usually are owned by Slovak-registered companies (as a part of the German ones as well). Also, American (USA) plates - for vehicles formally owned by a US legal entity - enjoy some popularity. In some vehicle sales ads, one can read "Slovak / US registration feasible"
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Old November 29th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #4860
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In Hungary, this is done mainly with Slovak- and German-registered vehicles.
Are the german ones mainly from Bavaria? I ask because cars registered in Munich, Nürnberg or Rosenheim I have seen a lot more often then others.
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