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Old December 21st, 2011, 07:12 PM   #4921
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I'd translate it to german as Thomas von Neudorf

Anyway, is this M85 section signed as motorroad or only the tri-prohibition sign is placed? Top speed 110 ?
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Old December 21st, 2011, 09:06 PM   #4922
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it's an expressway (autóút):
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Old December 21st, 2011, 10:47 PM   #4923
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M85 Enese bypass was inaugurated today

Raised speed main road, 2x2, 110 km/h, 7 km
Or expressway?
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 12:30 AM   #4924
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No, there is a distinction between "raised speed main road" and "expressway". One allows grade juncton, the other doesnt. Gradients, curves, everything is of "lower" quality in case of a raised speed main road.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 12:47 AM   #4925
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Isn't road 8 between Várpalota and Veszprém a "raised speed main road"? As I remember, speed limit is 100km/h.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 01:04 AM   #4926
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Technically M85 an expressway. It matches to the requirements, but as you can see it's opened only as a riased speed main road.

Here you can see, that this the tri-prohibition sign was placed to this sign lately, maybe a sticker, under it must be an expressway simbol.


For a regular driver this doesn't means anything special, there no crossings on this road and the limit is 110km/h.

This raised speed road thing exist (I belive) beacause of some road authorities may have some problems... (They write in the article that it can't be an expressway beacuse it doesn't have a connection with the fast traffic road system, what a stupidity)

@ RawLee: Hungarian expressway regulations are allowing at grade crossings and roundabouts as far as I know(2x1 expressways, 2x2 can't have crossings)

@ Nordic20T: Yes it is, but there are plans to reconstruct it to an expresway(divided, grade separated).
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 12:28 PM   #4927
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it's an expressway (autóút):
NIF.hu:
"gyorsforgalmi úthálózathoz nem csatlakozik (azaz, nincs közvetlen kapcsolata az M1 autópályával sem), ezért emelt sebességű főútként kerül forgalomba helyezésre"

[it has no connection to the motorway network so it's opened as raised speed main road]

I don't undestand this thing, someone explain why. The speed limit is 110, it's kurvára all the same that it's called expressway or not.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 12:35 PM   #4928
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Isn't road 8 between Várpalota and Veszprém a "raised speed main road"? As I remember, speed limit is 100km/h.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 05:44 AM   #4929
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Is an opening date known for the new section of M0 between M5 and main road 51?

Also, is it known if the old piece of M0 will be given a new M number?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 11:04 AM   #4930
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30th of June, 2012.
The name of the old route will be M51.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 12:55 PM   #4931
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30th of June, 2012.
The name of the old route will be M51.
wow, is M51 sure?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 01:51 PM   #4932
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NIF.hu:
"gyorsforgalmi úthálózathoz nem csatlakozik (azaz, nincs közvetlen kapcsolata az M1 autópályával sem), ezért emelt sebességű főútként kerül forgalomba helyezésre"

[it has no connection to the motorway network so it's opened as raised speed main road]

I don't undestand this thing, someone explain why. The speed limit is 110, it's kurvára all the same that it's called expressway or not.
According to this: http://roads.fw.hu/road_plans/m85_gyor_csorna.jpg the M85 won't have direct connection to the M1 even when it will be ready until that road. M85 will end in a roundabout (left side of the picture) at the junction of M1-85 main road.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 01:55 PM   #4933
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NIF.hu:
"gyorsforgalmi úthálózathoz nem csatlakozik (azaz, nincs közvetlen kapcsolata az M1 autópályával sem), ezért emelt sebességű főútként kerül forgalomba helyezésre"

[it has no connection to the motorway network so it's opened as raised speed main road]

I don't undestand this thing, someone explain why. The speed limit is 110, it's kurvára all the same that it's called expressway or not.
I thought it was an expressway because M86, which looks similar, is an expressway (but I'm not sure any more ). I thought these "raised speed main roads" will get green signage and a normal main road number...
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 05:33 PM   #4934
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According to this: http://roads.fw.hu/road_plans/m85_gyor_csorna.jpg the M85 won't have direct connection to the M1 even when it will be ready until that road. M85 will end in a roundabout (left side of the picture) at the junction of M1-85 main road.
i know that it's not connected to M1 yet but it's not problem. 61 Kaposvár bypass is far away from any motorway and signed expressway. M9 had also no connection to any motorway network (or anything) before M6 and was allways signed expressway. As I know M86 is also not expressway (although speed limit is 110). Has anyone a photo about M86 with this sign?

We stand lots of signs on these roads [Priority road, Slow vehicles prohibited, Speed limit] instead of only one [Expressway] which has the same meaning.
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 06:41 PM   #4935
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As I know M86 is also not expressway (although speed limit is 110).
A photo from Renault25:

Main road and 110 km/h (bad quality but can be seen)
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Old December 25th, 2011, 11:45 AM   #4936
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As I know M86 is also not expressway (although speed limit is 110). Has anyone a photo about M86 with this sign?
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Old December 26th, 2011, 02:01 AM   #4937
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Some pictures from my travel from Timisoara to Germany...

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Roundabout with Road 43


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Old December 26th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #4938
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Old December 26th, 2011, 02:10 AM   #4939
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