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Old March 25th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #5041
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Which part?
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Old March 25th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #5042
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That route is not very used because it passes through Serbia and we don't have a proper road connection between RO & SRB.
Serbia has plans for a Belgrade-Timisoara motorway as far as I know. Further, when Serbia enters EU (and Schengen zone) it will be much shorter to go through Serbia towards Italy.

As for now, take road 55 if you wanna go to Italy via Hungary. Its not in that good condition sadly, but it passes through no village (except Mórahalom), and traffic is really low there.


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I drove many times on M5 and I think that it would be fine to widen M5 just from Budapest to Dabas/Albertisa exit in the first phase. After that the motorways is almost empty.
ok, you convinced me, then to Albertirsa.
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Old March 25th, 2012, 09:50 PM   #5043
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Which part?
well, 2 million people live in Budapest and half the country passes through Budapest when going anywhere. Everybody profits when Budapest has a decent infrastructure. Please note that Budapest has only 2 subways (yet), and no S-Bahn system which is by far not enough for serving 2 million people. Same goes for roads, bridges, parking lots, everything.
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Old March 25th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #5044
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well, 2 million people live in Budapest and half the country passes through Budapest when going anywhere. Everybody profits when Budapest has a decent infrastructure. Please note that Budapest has only 2 subways (yet), and no S-Bahn system which is by far not enough for serving 2 million people. Same goes for roads, bridges, parking lots, everything.
I never said that Budapest doesn't need investments. It needs! I've been there and I can say that they need the upgrade of M0-south, closing the M0 at north-west, a Danube bridge, (new metro system I know that it's u/c).
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Old March 25th, 2012, 10:03 PM   #5045
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I never said that Budapest doesn't need investments. It needs! I've been there and I can say that they need the upgrade of M0-south, closing the M0 at north-west, a Danube bridge, (new metro system I know that it's u/c).
I never said you never said

It needs much more than that, believe me. I dont want to go in details about the metro system since this is a road thread, but f.e. Barcelona has I believe 13 (!) lines, and its not even a capitol.

Like I said, its approx 30 years behind of what is called infrastructure today.
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Old March 25th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #5046
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why not constructing A5 instead? When the bosnians to their part it could be a nice alternative to M7/A4/A1 to get to southern Croatia. Also M6 could carry more traffic.

But I really doubt there will be ever that much traffic between Zagreb-Pécs to justify extending M60.
Croatian A5 has connected Osijek (4th largest city) with the rest of our network, and the missing part towards H border (about 20 km) will be done when the financial situation recovers. Like your M6, our A5 is also sadly empty (3000 aadt), because there's no much traffic between BIH and Hungary. So today its only purpose is to connect Osijek.

On the other hand, A13 is important to connect Bjelovar (pop. 40 000) with Zagreb, so it is now under construction. I think this could become an interesting route between Trieste (Italy in general), following slovenian A1 and A2, croatian A3, A4, A13, hungarian M60, future M9 and M43 to Arad in Romania. The route would be entirely in EU (and in schengen in couple of years), so this is a plus comparing to route through Serbia
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Old March 26th, 2012, 05:36 AM   #5047
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Okay, but this connection already exists through Hungary as M43/55/M6/M60/6.
Nobody really uses that route. I didnt see any international traffic on road 55 at all last time I drove there. Again we would have a motorway without cars.

Also consider, that the route via Serbia will become very attractive the minute Serbia enters EU, which will probably happen before Hungary even finishes paperwork with M9.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 10:45 AM   #5048
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Sounds like you guys think that your present country is too big for you to cater for and you are promoting to have the fringes cut off. Well, whoever gets there first might keep it, that is the law of nature, that is: natural selection works. Were Pecs part of Croatia ... (You probably would not be trashing the long built freeway connecting it to Zagreb, etc.)
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Old March 26th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #5049
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no we wouldnt because we wouldnt be at the PAYING END
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Old March 26th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #5050
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Well, good morning. AFAIK the cost of having "disciplined" the IMF is getting close to the total cost of the construction of M6-M60 now. One is money directly down the drain, the other is an important part of infrastructure. It used to be basic strategy and a principle that all the main freeways must reach the borders. As far as the "capitol" (sic) city is concerned I am ready to let bloodsucking Budapest go independent. Bye-bye.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 07:29 PM   #5051
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i hope ure joking because if budapest became independent then the GDP per capita would quadruple there and halve everywhere else...

on the bright side there would be new subways and whatnot, and a lot more sharp pitchforks at the gates
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Well, good morning. AFAIK the cost of having "disciplined" the IMF is getting close to the total cost of the construction of M6-M60 now. One is money directly down the drain, the other is an important part of infrastructure. It used to be basic strategy and a principle that all the main freeways must reach the borders. As far as the "capitol" (sic) city is concerned I am ready to let bloodsucking Budapest go independent. Bye-bye.
I understand pretty well, that you, as Pécs resident, are happy by having a motorway to your home town. But IMHO motorways should not be built on such bases as for making people happy just for having that motorway there although they use it very rarely or never.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #5053
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i hope ure joking because if budapest became independent then the GDP per capita would quadruple there and halve everywhere else...
GDP per capita says nothing. capital = center of company bureaus but in many cases the REAL PRODUCTION is somewhere else.

Kese is right. the southwestern part of country including pecs has many inhabitans a they pay taxes too. if you want motorways copying only AADT and nothing else then introduce toll for every car.
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Old March 29th, 2012, 09:18 AM   #5054
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they had to hunt down some wild boars loool

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Old March 31st, 2012, 07:17 PM   #5055
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Road nr 6 today. Like in desert...
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Old March 31st, 2012, 10:26 PM   #5056
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That's the effect of deforestation. Some of the agricultural land needs to be returned to forest.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 11:13 PM   #5057
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Its actually desertification, not deforestation. The only thing changing every year is the climate, not the amount of forests in the area. Moreso, I've not heard of deforestation in favour of agriculture, when very much of our suitable areas arent even farmed.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 11:37 PM   #5058
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Desertification (sometimes) follows deforestation. Central Europe was largely deforested in the 18th through mid-20th centuries in order to increase the area of arable land. Since WWII, there has been some recovery of Europe's forests, but not enough.
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Certainly wasnt the case here. Arable land was always in excess.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 12:34 AM   #5060
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Its actually desertification, not deforestation. The only thing changing every year is the climate, not the amount of forests in the area. Moreso, I've not heard of deforestation in favour of agriculture, when very much of our suitable areas arent even farmed.
SO you need to plant more forests. The more trees, the harder for wind is to make soil dry and pick up sand particles from it as on the picture.
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