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Old April 1st, 2012, 12:35 AM   #5061
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Certainly wasnt the case here. Arable land was always in excess.
Nope. Until about 900CE, Hungary was almost entirely forest. Massive clearing for agriculture was done from about 900CE to about 1200CE and then continued at a slower pace until the late 20th century.

Now we have traffic accidents because of the artificial dust storms.

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SO you need to plant more forests. The more trees, the harder for wind is to make soil dry and pick up sand particles from it as on the picture.
Exactly right.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 07:19 PM   #5062
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U/C M3...

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If any of you have some spare time, please upload these pix to the forum...
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Old April 11th, 2012, 07:34 PM   #5063
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Old April 12th, 2012, 10:53 AM   #5064
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source: www.nif.hu M3 motorway construction


















































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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #5065
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nice pics and highway too hopefully will be finished by this year's end.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 05:00 PM   #5066
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Road nr 6:



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Old April 13th, 2012, 10:47 AM   #5067
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It is good to see that there is at least some progress - thanks to the EU, I guess. Can somebody show it on a map precisely which section we are talking about on M3? The starting point is clear, but where exactly does it end?
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Old April 13th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #5068
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@Chris
Yes, there is a basement conrete layer, but the upper layer will be asphalt.

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Here is a map.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #5069
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Do you really need another 30 km of M3 to UA? As I know M3 is pretty much empty near Nyíregyháza.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 05:22 PM   #5070
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It is good to see that there is at least some progress - thanks to the EU, I guess. Can somebody show it on a map precisely which section we are talking about on M3? The starting point is clear, but where exactly does it end?
Well, I do not know either. NIF is brutally blurry and confusing on this, probably because it is not political propaganda, so they might think it is none of their business. So I am just guessing here that the section U/C is ending at Rd 49, that is at Őr, so it is about 31 km-s. The other option is of course the junction with Rd 41, thus making it about 45 km-s long. In the NIF stuff price-tag is only rendered to the first section. But I am not sure of this.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #5071
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Do you really need another 30 km of M3 to UA? As I know M3 is pretty much empty near Nyíregyháza.
absolutely not, look at Nyiregyhaza-Vasarosnameny main road (41)

on the other hand, there are many things desperately needed in the same county, like
• 2 new bridges over the Tisza, one around Vasarosnameny
• the other around the wine region of Tokaj
• entirely replace the 471 from Debrecen to Mateszalka
• brand new main road all the way from Zahony-Vasarosnameny and Vasarosnameny-Csenger


but no, we will have a highway with 5000 AADT (if we're lucky) meanwhile from the same money 40-50000 AADT could have been rolling on brand new surfaces, alignment, bridges


but this is a place where sh!tfaced prigs get promoted to heads of state
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Old April 13th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #5072
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Do you really need another 30 km of M3 to UA? As I know M3 is pretty much empty near Nyíregyháza.
No, we don't. That's why we build it. If it were really needed, it wouldn't be built. That's the logic for building roads in Hungary: 1., Search a place where there's absolutely no need for a new road. 2., Build one.
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Old April 13th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #5073
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Do you really need another 30 km of M3 to UA? As I know M3 is pretty much empty near Nyíregyháza.
Yes, we do. We need to take all the freeways to the borders. Just like we did with M7 and (if we did) with M70, which also did not have very high AADT at first, and it is still rather low. Btw: what is "Slovensko" in English?

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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #5074
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Well at least these motorways will hopefuly bring some more investments to the poor parts of Hungary. We got very same situation on R4 (H-Košice-Prešov-PL) where they are building one of the least important section just because they want to get some more votes from East. It would make mre sense if they built the missing sections between Miskolc and SK rather than dead end empty motorway to UA. Motorway to Slovakia would be empty too but it would make more sense as a connection of Prešov (100k), Košice (250k), Miskolc (100k) and Budapest.

Slovensko means Szlovákia.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 09:52 AM   #5075
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Well at least these motorways will hopefuly bring some more investments to the poor parts of Hungary. We got very same situation on R4 (H-Košice-Prešov-PL) where they are building one of the least important section just because they want to get some more votes from East. It would make mre sense if they built the missing sections between Miskolc and SK rather than dead end empty motorway to UA. Motorway to Slovakia would be empty too but it would make more sense as a connection of Prešov (100k), Košice (250k), Miskolc (100k) and Budapest.

Slovensko means Szlovákia.
Miskolc: 170k :P

I don't understand why they don't want to build Miskolc-Kassa (Kosice) section...
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #5076
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Slovensko means Szlovákia.

Thanks. For some reason I thought it might mean Slovenia. This R4 is interesting. Can you give us an update or some link? As far as the Miskolc - Kassa line is concerned I think it is a Slovak interest to develop it, for us highway 3 with the new alignment seems enough for the forseeable future. AADT drops from 6500 to 3500 as we move away from Miskolc. I think the main question about the freeway connections between Slovakia and Hungary is: why is there no North-South link between Budapest and Slovakia , or anything that comes even close to it? If you look at the map - Budapest is a freeway hub in every direction - except North.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #5077
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Slovensko means also Slovene lands in Slovenian

Some pictures from March - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...43033&page=119

I think that bypasses of these villages along 3 would be ok for now.

It is simply because of the moutains (especially 100 km long Low Tatra), most important roads which would be a great connection go trough the moutains (Donovaly, Kremnica) so I guess it will take many years to build connection between Hungary and Poland.

Most important sections are on R3 in Orava (Dolný Kubín, Trstená), then there is problematic Donovaly pass where they want to build R1 between Ružomberok and Banská Bystrica, but it will be expensive as hell so its still just utopia.

Then I think it would be much better to build a motorway between R1 - Levice - Esztergom than building a motorway from Vác trough hilly Hont and Krupina - http://maps.google.sk/maps/ms?msid=2...09875,4.938354
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Old April 14th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #5078
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in Croatian "slovensko" means Slovenian (as neutrum gender adjective, for instance Slovenian sea )
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Old April 14th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #5079
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Old April 14th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #5080
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And Slovenske avtoceste vs Slovenské dial'nice .

But I believe it's time to go back on topic, to Hungary and its roads connecting villages with names that are impossible to say.
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