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Old May 5th, 2012, 10:04 AM   #5101
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Why is it that expensive?
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Old May 5th, 2012, 12:12 PM   #5102
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The constructor wasn't even chosen yet, so there is no price, it's just speculation. (M3 Nyíregyháza - Vaja section costs less than 1 billion HUF/km, so this can't be that high)
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Old May 5th, 2012, 01:29 PM   #5103
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1000mil HUF = 3,5mil € / km ?? Dream price in Slovakia.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 10:53 AM   #5104
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Hungary has plains, Slovakia has mountains.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 11:05 AM   #5105
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They build expensive motorways even on plains and basins. I think that also R4 to Hungarian border is about 6m€/km.

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Desertification (sometimes) follows deforestation. Central Europe was largely deforested in the 18th through mid-20th centuries in order to increase the area of arable land. Since WWII, there has been some recovery of Europe's forests, but not enough.
I thought that Pannonia was mostly puszta/steep or lets say something like semi-desert in the past.

Back in 19th century there was this programme of reforestation in Záhorie (region between Bratislava and Czech Rep.) runned by Maria Theresa as this are was pretty much desert thanks to blown sand and no forests.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 01:16 AM   #5106
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Ignorance is a bliss, so I am not sure this will do you any good, but as it can get fairly frustrating at times:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Theresa

As you see the woman died in the 18th century. Btw she was crowned the queen of Hungary in Pozsony, which is not in Pannonia. The Roman province of Pannonia was south and west of the Danube, east of the Alps, and north of the river Sava.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannoni...an_province%29

As far as we can see back in time this area has never been a desert or semi-desert. What was said about deforestation starting in bulk in the 18th century is correct. IMO
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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #5107
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The first widened section (between M6 and M7) of the U/C M0 bypass will be inaugurated in late June. No exact date yet though... BUT... Two of the old lanes will be immediately closed till fall due to a major reconstruction... 2+3 till Sept...



Source(map&info): http://nol.hu/gazdasag/20120502-kesz...-s_menetrendje
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Phase II.



From September...



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Old May 14th, 2012, 02:48 PM   #5108
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Thank you.

Does this mean that in Phase II the traffic going to M5 will be going on 2 separate lanes, without the possibility of switching from one lane to the other?
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Old May 14th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #5109
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Thank you.

Does this mean that in Phase II the traffic going to M5 will be going on 2 separate lanes, without the possibility of switching from one lane to the other?
Yes, it seems that way...
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Old May 14th, 2012, 11:45 PM   #5110
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Does this mean that in Phase II the traffic going to M5 will be going on 2 separate lanes, without the possibility of switching from one lane to the other?
It looks like there are no intersections along the way, so the only consequence of being in the wrong lane would be not having the opportunity to stop at the petrol station -- or perhaps detour around an accident blocking one lane.
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Old May 14th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #5111
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That's a quite common 3-1 work zone layout. It happens all the time on motorways where 4-0 is not possible or undesired.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #5112
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Notice: new lanes are made of concrete but the old track is going to stay asphalt.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #5113
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The government is just great at coming up with plans, blueprtints and drawings, but their actual performance is converging to zero. Come on boys, do something, do not just talk.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #5114
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Notice: new lanes are made of concrete but the old track is going to stay asphalt.
So after completion of M0 upgrade, half of it will be concrete and half asphalt?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #5115
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I will pass Budapest on Friday, from M1 to M5, from Gyor towards Szeged, probably between 11 and 13.
Should I adventure myself on M0, or better try this route?

I won't have a GPS.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 07:48 PM   #5116
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i definately would recommend the route through budapest, its 2x2 all the way from M1 to M5 (except by approaching the rákoczi-bridge from szerémi út).
that part of M0 is simply hell, dont go there...


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So after completion of M0 upgrade, half of it will be concrete and half asphalt?
yes
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #5117
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I will pass Budapest on Friday, from M1 to M5, from Gyor towards Szeged, probably between 11 and 13.
Should I adventure myself on M0, or better try this route?

I won't have a GPS.
Unless you come in the middle of the night, I suggest to choose the route across Budapest. This route is well singalised, you can find the right way easily. M0 can be (and usually is) terrible.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #5118
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Yes, I know, the last time I was on M0, we lost one hour because of some accident.
After driving very slow for a while, we just stopped for 25 minutes or so. Then we drove, but we were redirected somehow. At that point I said never again M0, until it's finished .
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Old May 16th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #5119
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The preparations for the extension of the half-profile M15 can begin. The winner of the tender was announced yesterday by the National Infrastructure Developer. Deadline for delivering the feasibility studies and cost benefit analysis is 12.2012.

The phisical extension on this 14,6 km section of the Dresden/Nürnberg - Istanbul corridor could start in 2013.

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An extension (increasing length) or a widening/expansion (increasing lanes)?
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