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Old January 20th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #5641
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maybe after 2020. it has absolutely no priority now.

M3 vaja-vásárosnamény,
M4 abony-fegyvernek,
M85 györ-csorna (2x2 expressway)
M86 csorna-szombathely (2x2 expressway)

will be the next sections to be realized.

hopefully also M0 between road 11-10, and M2 widening dunakeszi-vác will be built in the next years, but i am not sure about these 2 to be honest...
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:04 AM   #5642
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What about M49? Are there any news?
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:25 AM   #5643
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maybe after 2020. it has absolutely no priority now.

M3 vaja-vásárosnamény,
M4 abony-fegyvernek,
M85 györ-csorna (2x2 expressway)
M86 csorna-szombathely (2x2 expressway)

will be the next sections to be realized.

hopefully also M0 between road 11-10, and M2 widening dunakeszi-vác will be built in the next years, but i am not sure about these 2 to be honest...
Jack_Frost, are these the priorities of the goverment, or just the priorities?

2. I saw a map where the northern Szolnok bypass was under construction? Is this correct?

3. What about the section from Pilis to Budapest/M0?

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Old January 21st, 2013, 10:11 AM   #5644
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What about M49? Are there any news?
it was planned to build the first 28 kms of M49 by 2014. this will certainly not happen. i have no news about this road.

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Jack_Frost, are these the priorities of the goverment, or just the priorities?

2. I saw a map where the northern Szolnok bypass was under construction? Is this correct?

3. What about the section from Pilis to Budapest/M0?

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except M3 from the list above, all have priority. and so does M10 to dorog. M4 is a sad story. no news so far from that section, but i am optimistic it will be built between 2014-2020.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 01:09 PM   #5645
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it was planned to build the first 28 kms of M49 by 2014. this will certainly not happen. i have no news about this road.
Thank you, Jack_Frost!
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:06 PM   #5646
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M85 györ-csorna (2x2 expressway)
M86 csorna-szombathely (2x2 expressway)

will be the next sections to be realized..
Roads 85 /86 are frequently used by Poles driving to Croatia ...

What about motorway connection between Debrecen and Hu/Ro border close to Oradea ?
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Old January 21st, 2013, 09:22 PM   #5647
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extension of M35 is planned to future M4 at berettyóújfalu, but has also no priority. oradea will be connected via M4 with budapest and beyond. using M35/M3 to get from oradea to budapest v.v. makes absolutely no sense, since its a detour of nearly 100 kilometers...
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:08 PM   #5648
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This is not quite true. M35 (with the southern bypass of Debrecen) is high on the government's priority list. No wonder the planning process was accelerated (http://iho.hu/hir/ujabb-lepes-az-m35...itesere-120502). The only thing slowing the process that the chosen path (northern bypass of Derecske) of the future motorway was taken to court in a disagreement suit by the local landowners and farmers. The story goes back a long time (for Jack: http://www.dehir.hu/hajdu-bihar/uj-n...ak/2011/08/24/). I assure you, the M35 from Debrecen till Berettyóújfalú (22 km) and from there M4 till the Ro border is high priority for the current government. If everything goes right on schedule the two sections will be tendered in 2014.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:39 PM   #5649
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Nyuszi is absolutely right.

BTW it's about 50 km of detour in distance, not a 100.

If you take it into account that compared to the M4 alternative of ~160 km (till Abony), via Debrecen/M35 only the construction of about 50 km of motorway would be needed to connect Northern-Transylvania (RO) and the future A3 Motorway with the Hungarian motorway system, the efforts of pushing forward the previous alternative is quite logical.

I'm not saying the construction of M4 is not as important, though...
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:54 PM   #5650
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Nyuszi is absolutely right.
i didnt say it has no priority for the government. but if you go by traffic volumes, it surely has no priority for our road infrastructure. sorry if i didnt express myself clearly.

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BTW it's about 50 km of detour in distance, not a 100.
berettyóújfalu-M0/4 interchange is about 285 kms via road 47/M35/M3/M31. the same distance on road 4 is approx 200 kms.

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If you take it into account that compared to the M4 alternative of ~160 km (till Abony), via Debrecen/M35 only the construction of about 50 km of motorway would be needed to connect Northern-Transylvania (RO) and the future A3 Motorway with the Hungarian motorway system, the efforts of pushing forward the previous alternative is quite logical.
well, apart from the last ~40 kilometers we have a decent motorway connection to transylvania with M3/M35. still, almost every hungarian/romanian uses road 4 instead. and this will certainly not change when extending M35 to berettyóújfalu. as i said, it makes no sense taking M3 for transylvania, except when heading towards satu mare.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 12:03 AM   #5651
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well, apart from the last ~40 kilometers we have a decent motorway connection to transylvania with M3/M35. still, almost every hungarian/romanian uses road 4 instead. and this will certainly not change when extending M35 to berettyóújfalu. as i said, it makes no sense taking M3 for transylvania, except when heading towards satu mare.
A can't name anyone using Main road 4 instead of M3-M35 when traveling to Northern-Transylvania... It's a bloody waste of time, money and an absolutely unnecessary risk.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 12:13 AM   #5652
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i think you misunderstood my post.

anyway, i also made a mistake: i considered M0 the only route to bypass budapest, and forgot about the option to go through it. taking M35/M3 from oradea would make me go through budapest and not around it, which would make your +50 kms true instead of my 85 by comparing road 4 with M3/M35 in distance...
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 12:33 AM   #5653
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i think you misunderstood my post.

anyway, i also made a mistake: i considered M0 the only route to bypass budapest, and forgot about the option to go through it. taking M35/M3 from oradea would make me go through budapest and not around it, which would make your +50 kms true instead of my 85 by comparing road 4 with M3/M35 in distance...
In case of bypassing BUD you are right, but in case of traveling from our capitol let's say that I'am, and that settles it. But in any case I would take the M3/M35 option...

Nevertheless I'm not a truck driver so I have no idea which of the mentioned two is the more economical solution. Taking the 50-85 km longer route with a steady speed in an e.g. 14 speed Volvo FH Series with a semi-automatic computerized gear change control system, or the shorter route but with constant accelerating and braking...

But once again I would take "door number one"! Show me Nr 1!!!
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 07:38 AM   #5654
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i am no truck driver either, but its all about distance here. if M3/M35 would be a good alternative over road 4, people would use it. but traffic volumes show, that they do not.

and in case of transit traffic, we cant even say that they prefer road 4 so no vignette must be bought, since most of them already have the vignette for M1...
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 10:36 PM   #5655
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A friend of mine that lives in Oradea says that he uses M4 for Oradea-Budapest trips because it's faster.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:39 PM   #5656
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A friend of mine that lives in Oradea says that he uses M4 for Oradea-Budapest trips because it's faster.
Which M4?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:03 AM   #5657
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building even a half profile from Debrecen-Berettyoujfalu-Nagyvarad is asinine

all that is needed, is bypasses of some of the villages and towns on that particular route, considering the following:
• traffic volumes are relatively low and do not justify the cost of even a half profile highway,
• the current alignment of all the local main roads is more or less perfect
• the condition of all the local main roads is excellent (4, 47, 42) considering the resurfacing done recently
• the financial resources available
• the need for capacity ELSEWHERE in the SAME country resulting in MORE return on the invested capital

however, traffic from Budapest-Szolnok DOES justify a full highway which we should have focused on for at least 10 years now, and maybe even a new (half-)bridge is justified at Szolnok on the Tisza, but thereafter only bypasses built as future highway's half profile sections: Fegyvernek, Kenderes, Puspokladany, Barand, Foldes, Mezopeterd and Mikepercs, Sarand, Derecske

this is what is actually needed on the M4 and M35 corridors:
full highway: M0-Szolnok
half profile highway: Szolnok-Tisza-Torokszentmiklos
bypasses and main road until RO border
bypasses between Debrecen-Berettyoujfalu
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 07:43 AM   #5658
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agree, except on that imo M4 should be build full profile all the way to oradea, so everybody could be channeled safely out of hungary. i know this has been discussed several times, but also this family would still be alive when this road was 2x2...

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 10:05 AM   #5659
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A friend of mine that lives in Oradea says that he uses M4 for Oradea-Budapest trips because it's faster.
Which type of teleport is he using?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 03:33 PM   #5660
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Which type of teleport is he using?
I also used once national road 4 from Budapest (coming M1-M0-M5-Albertirsa-road 4) and was quite fast. It was however on a sunday afternoon and I also drove a little over speed limit (65-70/110-115). I think it is a little bit faster but the margin is less than 15 minutes and depends on traffic you encounter on road 4. These 15 minutes will be saved when Debrecen bypass will be build up to national road 47.
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