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Old November 25th, 2013, 09:27 PM   #6101
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I want to ask something the Hungarian forumers. I saw your road masterplan, but it's not clear for me if a southern motorway will be ever built in Hungary. I mean a direct connection between Szeged and Nagykanizsa. Right now, on M5+M0+M7 it's 369 km long, but a direct motorway connection (M9 maybe?) would be not longer than 300 km. This would be a very useful motorway for connecting Italy and Romania.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #6102
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BTW M70. I always thought it should be toll free for Slovenians together with the short tail of M7 between M7xM70 and the Croatian border. In return Slo should make their section between Hun - Lendva - Hun also free for Hungarian cars (not trucks). That way local traffic could use it more, too. What do you think?
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It's against the EU regulations to make such a discriminatory rule.
I don't think it would be a problem if people that commute often could make a month/yearly pass at better price, like there is the possibility for tolled tunnels in Austria for example.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #6103
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I don't think it would be a problem if people that commute often could make a month/yearly pass at better price, like there is the possibility for tolled tunnels in Austria for example.
Yes, if they make some kind of discounted pass valid only for M70 (HU) / A5 (SLO), available to purchase for everyone, then it would be ok. Of course that only the local people would buy it... but this way it won't be a discriminatory measure.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #6104
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i dont think we need M9 in near future.

best solution for connecting bucharest with italy is building romanian A1 from pitesti towards beograd. after that, italy is already connected with motorways. of course, this only works if your A1 goes via brasov to bucharest -which is a very good idea imo.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #6105
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i dont think we need M9.
Maybe you don't... but I do
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #6106
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Between Szeged and Graz I always use the followingroute. You have to drive on local roads, but it's not bad at all. It takes the same amount of time as the motorway connection, but less costs for fuel and vignette.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #6107
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Maybe you don't... but I do
makes more sense to go via beograd from romania to italy if you ask me. and as a matter of fact i am an M8/M4 fan (which also works for italy i might add)
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #6108
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Between Szeged and Graz I always use the followingroute. You have to drive on local roads, but it's not bad at all. It takes the same amount of time as the motorway connection, but less costs for fuel and vignette.
When I drove from Graz (actually Klagenfurt) I chosed the "motorway route". It's a little longer, but Google Maps says it's faster than your route. Plus, I rather drive on a motorway than on a rural road. And I already had purchased the vignettes needed for this trip.

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makes more sense to go via beograd from romania to italy if you ask me.
Nope, it doesn't.

For example: Arad (my town) - Venice (northern Italy): 968 km / 9h09m on the "classic route" through Hungary and Slovenia. Just one border check (RO/HU) and non-stop motorway (except ~70 km near the Romanian border).

Same trip, but as you said, Arad (RO) - Beograd (SRB) - Venice (IT): 987 km / 10h08m. Although it's just 20 km longer, it's actually more time-consuming (1 hour). But I bet you make more than 10 hours because you have 3 border checks to do (including EU-nonEU border crossings), you have to pass through Belgrade (you can't use the bypass on this route) and the entire trip from Romania to Belgrade is through a 1-lane road full of villages.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:31 PM   #6109
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Yes, if they make some kind of discounted pass valid only for M70 (HU) / A5 (SLO), available to purchase for everyone, then it would be ok. Of course that only the local people would buy it... but this way it won't be a discriminatory measure.
Well, it is true, we should not discriminate anybody. So we should make it free for everybody. Keep in mind though that this section in Hungary is free for passenger cars. This will only change when it is fully updated to 2x2 all the way to the border. That is when this idea makes sense. As of the "de facto" situation: I have taken the A5 to Lendva + H7 to the border a couple of times without a Slo sticker. One just does not buy a monthly sticker for 20 km-s, even if this route is just the logical choice if you want to go on to Lenti or further up on Rd 86 back in Hu. Long distance transit would not use only this short leg, but they will go on all the way on A5, therefore they will buy a Slo sticker anyway. Same with M7 north.

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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:34 PM   #6110
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Nope, it doesn't.

For example: Arad (my town) - Venice (northern Italy): 968 km / 9h09m on the "classic route" through Hungary and Slovenia. Just one border check (RO/HU) and non-stop motorway (except ~70 km near the Romanian border).
ok, people from arad and timisoara may use M5-M0-M7. but all the others, including bulgarians, turks, greeks are better off using beograd - zagreb to italy.

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But I bet you make more than 10 hours because you have 3 border checks to do (including EU-nonEU border crossings), you have to pass through Belgrade (you can't use the bypass on this route) and the entire trip from Romania to Belgrade is through a 1-lane road full of villages.
i thought we are talking about future motorways. anyway, i am not against M9, but it certainly has no prority.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:35 PM   #6111
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I want to ask something the Hungarian forumers. I saw your road masterplan, but it's not clear for me if a southern motorway will be ever built in Hungary. I mean a direct connection between Szeged and Nagykanizsa. Right now, on M5+M0+M7 it's 369 km long, but a direct motorway connection (M9 maybe?) would be not longer than 300 km. This would be a very useful motorway for connecting Italy and Romania.
I think half the Hungarian population are along the east west axis along the Danube/Slovakian Border, meaning around half of all Hungarians are within -50km (or less) of Slovakia and the other half inhabit the rest of the country to the south. I could be wrong on this, feel free to shoot me.

Hard to project enough traffic internally for motorways. The traffic growth will have to come from outside, particularly from Romania and Turkey.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:42 PM   #6112
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I think half the Hungarian population are along the east west axis along the Danube/Slovakian Border, meaning around half of all Hungarians are within -50km (or less) of Slovakia and the other half inhabit the rest of the country to the south. I could be wrong on this, feel free to shoot me.

Hard to project enough traffic internally for motorways. The traffic growth will have to come from outside, particularly from Romania and Turkey.
And almost every fifth Hungarian lives in Budapest or nearby.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #6113
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(Verso) Don't count your chickens....
BTW M70. I always thought it should be toll free for Slovenians together with the short tail of M7 between M7xM70 and the Croatian border. In return Slo should make their section between Hun - Lendva - Hun also free for Hungarian cars (not trucks). That way local traffic could use it more, too. What do you think?
The A5+H7 combination (Tornyiszentmiklós-Rédics) is actually free for trucks (but not for cars), but why would you drive there? Isn't it faster through Lovászi? But yes, it could be free, because no one will buy a vignette for that short stretch.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #6114
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Future path of the M0 between Main roads 11 and 10.

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Part of the missing north-west section of the Budapest beltway (M0) is to be built starting as early as 2018 according to a government decision published today.

According to nol.hu an eight kilometer segment of four-lane highway is to be built between Budapest’s northern-most bridge, the Megyeri Bridge, and the Number 10 country road to the west which connects Hungary’s capital city to the northern city of Esztergom. As the new section of highway will cut across the eastern tip of the Pilis mountain range, some 5 km is to be built under ground.

Nol.hu reports that the crucial environmental protection permit has been issued and that the planning and construction of the project will be the subject of a public tender to be issued the first quarter of 2014. Building permits are expected to be issued in 2016 and actual construction should take place between 2018 and 2020.

The proposed 5 km in tunnels will only be the second time Hungary has built tunnels as part of its system of motorways. In 2007 as part of the HUF 266 billion (USD 1.2 billion) M6 highway construction project, 3 km of tunnels were built at a reported cost of HUF 51.9 billion (USD 235 million), or HUF 17.3 million (USD 78,000) per linear meter. If this figure is anything to go by then the proposed 5 km long tunnel should cost well in excess of HUF 100 billion (USD 450 million) especially as this will involve boring through solid granite instead of sandstone.

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Old November 26th, 2013, 03:20 AM   #6115
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I'm wondering if you're gonna need a matrica for all wehicles after widening the M70 to 2x2?
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Old November 26th, 2013, 05:45 AM   #6116
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A question about M86 near Vat:

GMSV shows in its 2011 images that the bypass of Vat and Szeleste is signed as main road 86 rather than M86, even on the motorway section. Is that still its status, or has it been redesignated as M86? If it's still main road 86, what is keeping it from being designatated as M86?

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main road 88 northbound at 86
86 northbound near the west end of the bypass
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:41 AM   #6117
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The new Hungarian protocol is that a road can have an "M" signage only if it is connected to the national motorway/expressway network. I myself think it's crazy, but actually this rule is in force.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #6118
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I see that Enese bypass is named M85, although it's not connected to the rest of the motorway network.

If a new motorway is built, but not connected to the network, according to this rule, it would be named XX (without M). But when it will be connected in the future to the network, all the signs to it have to be changed. And also all the maps...
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #6119
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I don't know the reason, but the M is there, but covered on the signs:
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