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Old December 28th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #6181
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- Is the european economic crisis affecting to Hungary? (in development of roads)
The financial situation has an important effect to Hungarian road traffic. Lots of people left the country in the recent years (living in Germany, I'm one of them). The precise number is unknown, the most correct guess is probably around 5-600,000 people, which is 5-6% of the population. Many of them return to Hungary for every weekend, many of them (incl. me) only a few times yearly.
On Monday, 23rd I drove from Western Germany to Budapest, even in Bavaria (motorway A3) a significantly large part of the traffic were Hungarians, heading to Hungary for Christmas. In Austria and especially after Vienna, a majority of traffic were these people. In Mosonmagyaróvár (first gas station in Hungary) everyone bought motorway toll sticker for German and Austrian cars - and everyone asked for it using the Hungarian language. Just like me.
What does it mean for road traffic?
1., Traffic in Hungarian M1 and Austrian A4 increased dramatically Friday evening and Sunday evening / Monday morning.
2., Traffic in rest of the road network slightly decreased (those that don't live in Hungary, don't drive in Hungary). Domestic freight traffic, too, decrease (and will decrease even more): those that don't live in Hungary, don't buy goods in Hungary. Roads that were heavily congested, have now free flow.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 07:09 PM   #6182
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I noticed that a lot of times, people writing the names of cities,villages wrongly and not just Hungarian ones! Like now with the border village Röszke(surely not Rözske). I know it can be really hard to remember how it is written, or how to pronunce it. But it is the minimum to write these names correctly, cos' the other foreign forumers will recognize the false version only,which is not right. So please have a look on the google if you wish and be little bit more precise & correct. Thx guys.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #6183
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The financial situation has an important effect to Hungarian road traffic. Lots of people left the country in the recent years (living in Germany, I'm one of them). The precise number is unknown, the most correct guess is probably around 5-600,000 people, which is 5-6% of the population. Many of them return to Hungary for every weekend, many of them (incl. me) only a few times yearly.
On Monday, 23rd I drove from Western Germany to Budapest, even in Bavaria (motorway A3) a significantly large part of the traffic were Hungarians, heading to Hungary for Christmas. In Austria and especially after Vienna, a majority of traffic were these people. In Mosonmagyaróvár (first gas station in Hungary) everyone bought motorway toll sticker for German and Austrian cars - and everyone asked for it using the Hungarian language. Just like me.
What does it mean for road traffic?
1., Traffic in Hungarian M1 and Austrian A4 increased dramatically Friday evening and Sunday evening / Monday morning.
2., Traffic in rest of the road network slightly decreased (those that don't live in Hungary, don't drive in Hungary). Domestic freight traffic, too, decrease (and will decrease even more): those that don't live in Hungary, don't buy goods in Hungary. Roads that were heavily congested, have now free flow.
I think roads in Hungary are super-important. Especially M1 motorway. If someone wants to see huge number of cars with different foreing licence plates on one place, M1 is the best. It is roughly former "orient express" route after all.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 09:48 PM   #6184
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Is the M70 planned to became a motorway?
From the underpasses' width I would guess no.
https://maps.google.it/maps?ll=46.44...27.83,,0,11.42
If one travels from Lisboa to almost the Ukrainian border, this is the only non-motorway part.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 29th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #6185
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yes it is, it should be widened until 2018. interestingly, about 40% of M70 is already 2x2 with hard shoulders.

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Old December 29th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #6186
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Drove on that road today!
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Old December 29th, 2013, 11:30 PM   #6187
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interestingly, about 40% of M70 is already 2x2 with hard shoulders.
More than 50% actually. It would be interesting to know which license plates are most common there. I think there are many more Romanians driving there than Slovenians (perhaps even more than Hungarians at the border), which means there are more Romanians driving on the last part of the Slovenian A5 than Slovenians as well.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #6188
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 02:41 AM   #6189
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Verso, I also think on M70 most drivers come from Romania, then Hungary and Ukraine.
Most Polish and Slovakian drivers go on 86/M86 road to Rajka.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 02:55 AM   #6190
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There are probably more Romanians crossing the border there than all others combined.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 07:59 AM   #6191
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More than 50% actually
i really would like to ask the responsibles what was in their heads, when planning this road...
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Old December 30th, 2013, 10:20 AM   #6192
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Verso, I also think on M70 most drivers come from Romania, then Hungary and Ukraine.
Most Polish and Slovakian drivers go on 86/M86 road to Rajka.
And all drive on M1. Most of cars have German licence plates, perhaps gastarbeiters, then romanian, austrian, slovak, ukrainian and bulgarian. Italians drive rather caravans and common are Czech and Polish tourists especially in summer season as well.

From Slovak point of view, hungarian motorway network provide best connection between two most populous cities in slovakia.
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Old December 30th, 2013, 11:42 PM   #6193
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And all drive on M1. Most of cars have German licence plates, perhaps gastarbeiters, then romanian, austrian, slovak, ukrainian and bulgarian. Italians drive rather caravans and common are Czech and Polish tourists especially in summer season as well.

From Slovak point of view, hungarian motorway network provide best connection between two most populous cities in slovakia.
"From Slovak point of view, hungarian motorway network provide best connection between two most populous cities in slovakia."


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Old December 30th, 2013, 11:42 PM   #6194
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From Slovak point of view, hungarian motorway network provide best connection between two most populous cities in slovakia.
So you're suggesting that best way to travel from Bratislava to Košice is via D2-M15-M1-M0-M3-M30-3-R4?

Isn't D1 shorter and faster?
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Old December 31st, 2013, 12:22 AM   #6195
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So you're suggesting that best way to travel from Bratislava to Košice is via D2-M15-M1-M0-M3-M30-3-R4?

Isn't D1 shorter and faster?
There is a lot of commuters in Bratislava, statistical data assumes roughly 100k commuters from all around Slovakia. But "Hungarian way" is profitable and faster only for those who live in Kosice and further. And of course in specific time of a day, due to traffic jams and rush hour in Budapest. But yes, for some people it is the fastest way.

Slovakia is indeed missing "south connection" (namely R1+R2 or R7+R2). Everything is due to "main motorway" planned in interwar period during Czechoslovak times. This major motorway was planned in latitudinal direction from Cheb (Czech r.) to V. Bočkov (now Ukraine). This motorway had to enter Slovakia somewhere near Zilina and Bratislava had to be connected through Zilina only by branch (e.g. expressway). Situation has changed as number of vehicles started to grow up and private car commuting became more essential and obviously, after the break-up of Czechoslovakia. Thus northern way was under construction while southern one (more logical due to more favourable terrain and distance) was not even developed.

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The Hungarian option isn't so profitable anymore for trucks since they introduced HU-GO truck tolls.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 03:13 PM   #6197
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volodaaaa, since R1 is completed, "Hungarian" route is not the fastest. It's also the most expensive one, because of: extra vignette payment, longer distance and higher average fuel consumption per 100km.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 03:17 PM   #6198
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volodaaaa, since R1 is completed, "Hungarian" route is not the fastest. It's also the most expensive one, because of: extra vignette payment, longer distance and higher average fuel consumption per 100km.
yeah, you are right, I have forgotten to take completed R1 into account. But I have few friends from Kosice, who had confirmed the Hungarian way to be the fastest. I confess it might be 3-5 years ago.
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Old December 31st, 2013, 03:59 PM   #6199
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yeah, you are right, I have forgotten to take completed R1 into account. But I have few friends from Kosice, who had confirmed the Hungarian way to be the fastest. I confess it might be 3-5 years ago.
Sure, it depends (weather/season, opening of new motorways sections, no border controls, toll prices.....). There is no long-term and versatile the best option. It is also internal Slovakian issue. For example, D1 (via Strecno) or R1 (via Donovaly) options for the route Ruzomberok-Bratislava etc.....
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Have the vignette prices changed for 2014? Also, is there no annual vignette anymore?

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