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Old July 6th, 2014, 07:21 PM   #6421
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@Jack_Frost: M30 isn't particularly busy though. M3 continues to Nyíregyháza, Debrecen, Romania, and Ukraine.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 07:47 PM   #6422
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Nice photos! So few traffic even by Budapest? What's AADT here?
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4 reasons for the low AADT:

1, Danube (despite plenty possibilities to cross the river)
2, it doesnt really serves Pécs
3, no transit route
4, toll
It's empty also because on the south end (HR and BIH) there's nothing which could attract more (if any) traffic. Croatian A5 (E73) is ~70% completed (from Osijek to A3) and has the lowest traffic volume of all motorways 2500-3000 vpd Croatians don't use it so much because of high tolls, route from Zagreb to Osijek is slightly shorter and absolutely without toll through D28 (A12) and D2 state road (via Bjelovar), route E73 doesn't go through Slavonski Brod (which is more or less industrial city), Osijek-Sl.Brod route is detoured as Budapest-Pecs and the economic situation in BIH is difficult, not to say something worse. So it's not that strange that M6 has so low traffic volume.

Hungarian M6 and Croatian A5 motorways won't have much bigger traffic, at least in next 20 years.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 07:48 PM   #6423
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It's time to build the M4 and the connection to Sopron
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Old July 6th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #6424
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It's time to build the M4 and the connection to Sopron
Well, M4 is already u/c around Szolnok from Abony to Fegyvernek.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 08:51 PM   #6425
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Both these signs are placed 1 km (1000 and 1100 m) before the exit, is there any reason for why they have such different designs?
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Old July 6th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #6426
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Wouldn't it be better to go to Székesfehérvár on road 62?
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Old July 6th, 2014, 09:53 PM   #6427
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" Is this name of province? or what? "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fej%C3%A9r_County
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #6428
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2. No one want to go to Pécs from Budapest. It has not any sense. There's nothing there. Hungary is very centralized, not like the Netherlands or Western Germany. Budapest is not only much more populated than any other city in Hungary (6× bigger than the second one) but is economically even more developed. Actually there's only one region in Hungary (Győr) which is not a net beneficiary of the Hungarian balancing system so that we can almost say Budapest supports the whole nation. Real economical connections between Budapest and other cities are pretty low.
The point of a motorway to other parts of a country is that it enables economic growth in more parts of the country, instead of just one city. It helps to reduce the rural-urban income gap, Latin America is a good example of high inequality between cities and rural areas.

In northwestern Europe, rural areas are generally not noticably less developed than cities. This is in part due to the developed infrastructure. This keeps the countryside from emptying out, and makes commuting from the countryside possible.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #6429
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So what has Miskolc got, what Pécs hasnt? IMO M6 is not good for transit, and never will be, while at least M3 has some ukrainian/romanian transit.
Miskolc "has" Debrecen and Nyíregyháza. Pécs has nothing like them.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:19 PM   #6430
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The point of a motorway to other parts of a country is that it enables economic growth in more parts of the country, instead of just one city. It helps to reduce the rural-urban income gap, Latin America is a good example of high inequality between cities and rural areas.

In northwestern Europe, rural areas are generally not noticably less developed than cities. This is in part due to the developed infrastructure. This keeps the countryside from emptying out, and makes commuting from the countryside possible.
1. Hungary has a stagnating, or even decreasing economy. Perhaps in a better economic situation could you have right, but definitely not now. Even in Budapest you have no chance for new developments.
2. Approx. 1 million people (10% of total polulation) has left Hungary in the recent 10 years. This dramatic emigration, too, reduces the chances for an economical development.
3. You can speak about "commuting from the countryside" in the Netherlands, or Scandinavia, but not in a country with such low incomes: in Hungary the average net (i.e. after tax or cheating tax) salary is approx. 500 euro while fuel costs almost the same as in Germany (approx. 1.40 euro / liter).
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:25 PM   #6431
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All true, but the situation won't improve if you don't invest in infrastructure to enable economic growth. Spending money on infrastructure is an investment that will pay off over a longer period of time. I hope the rural areas / small cities of Hungary won't be written off.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #6432
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First of all, any time I drive on M6 there is very low traffic. This picture I took on Thursday late afternoon. I was driving 120km/h on speedometer with tempomat (real speed was cca. 112-115 km/h) and from the begining of M6 near Mohacs I overtook maybe 20-30 cars and trucks, I was overtook by cca. 20 cars, so the traffic level is real very very low.

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... and you didn't even take pictures of the infamous tunnels:


No, I didn't photoshop out the mountains.
Sorry, but I started taking photos after tunnels towards Budapest, because I took them by hand so in tunnels it could be dangerous
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #6433
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All true, but the situation won't improve if you don't invest in infrastructure to enable economic growth. Spending money on infrastructure is an investment that will pay off over a longer period of time. I hope the rural areas / small cities of Hungary won't be written off.
Alright but our starting point was why is traffic on M6 so low ;-)) I tried to explain it. Whether M6 should have been built even for such a low traffic or not, it may be another question.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #6434
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Both these signs are placed 1 km (1000 and 1100 m) before the exit, is there any reason for why they have such different designs?
For Me different design is negligible as the most important information is exit number - knowing them is easiest way to travel into Your destination. You can also easily guess where You are and how long motorway is left. And the third thing is that for foreigner local names blind into one which may mislead. So regardless what design signs have it is big for comprehensive exits numbering.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #6435
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1. Hungary has a stagnating, or even decreasing economy. Perhaps in a better economic situation could you have right, but definitely not now. Even in Budapest you have no chance for new developments.
2. Approx. 1 million people (10% of total polulation) has left Hungary in the recent 10 years. This dramatic emigration, too, reduces the chances for an economical development.
3. You can speak about "commuting from the countryside" in the Netherlands, or Scandinavia, but not in a country with such low incomes: in Hungary the average net (i.e. after tax or cheating tax) salary is approx. 500 euro while fuel costs almost the same as in Germany (approx. 1.40 euro / liter).
With all due respect I think your first two statements are a bit exaggerated. Our GDP finally started growing and while it's true that not everything is sunshine and rainbows, Budapest does just fine nowadays not to mention towns with car factories like Győr or Kecskemét - and while it's hard to give the exact number of immigration the real number would be around half million.
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Old July 6th, 2014, 11:20 PM   #6436
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Alright but our starting point was why is traffic on M6 so low ;-)) I tried to explain it. Whether M6 should have been built even for such a low traffic or not, it may be another question.
IMO the whole project was full of question marks from the beginning to say the least.

This motorway has some freight traffic between Budapest and Dunaújváros (mostly thanks to the Hankook tire factory there) so if it was only about connecting these two locations that would have been fine with me. But the more we go to the south the more pointless the whole idea is (at least with the current circumstances). And the cherry on the top are those tunnels built just a few meters below the surface through friggin' yellow soil. Aaand there goes my blood pressure again...

IMO M4 (or some other projects) should have been built waaay before they even started thinking about the Dunaújváros-Pécs section.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 12:11 AM   #6437
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Well, M4 is already u/c around Szolnok from Abony to Fegyvernek.
I know, but it's not enough. We need the entire motorway
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Old July 7th, 2014, 12:39 AM   #6438
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I know, but it's not enough. We need the entire motorway
So do we ('cause you know we kinda live here and stuff ) The other sections are currently at various stages of planning or getting approvals.
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Old July 7th, 2014, 01:17 AM   #6439
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Faster, faster
Btw, no news about the remaining M35?
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Old July 7th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #6440
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Btw, no news about the remaining M35?
According to this source they will open the next section of M35 in 2017 if everything goes well.
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