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Old November 13th, 2014, 07:46 PM   #6601
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Is there planned a completely new M1/M85 intrechange, or the old one will be rebuilt ?
http://roads.attus.hu/road_plans/m85_gyor_csorna.jpg

it will be two large roundabouts, one will be the starting point of both the M85 and main road 85
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Old November 13th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #6602
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I think there shuold be full cloverleaf. There is enough space for this type of interchange.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #6603
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It reminds me of S51 in Olsztyn, Poland where (at some point) they came up with a similarly brilliant idea. Fortunately, a lot of people (including a fair number of SSC users) found it ridiculous and protested. It took some time and a lot of patience but the goal was achieved and the interchange was changed back to a full cloverleaf.
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Old November 13th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #6604
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that's the least of its problems
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Old November 13th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #6605
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What else is wrong with it?
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Old November 13th, 2014, 11:21 PM   #6606
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m85 between gyor-csorna should be full profile with wider lanes and covered emergency lanes and larger curve radii
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Old November 15th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #6607
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It won`t be? What are they gonna do? 1x2 profile?!
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Old November 15th, 2014, 11:08 PM   #6608
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2x2, with soft shoulders. lane width 3,5 m. it will loke like this:

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Old November 16th, 2014, 01:58 AM   #6609
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I have no problem with 3,5 m wide lanes, but these soft shoulders are stupid. What is the price difference between road with soft and hard shoulders? 2-3 %?
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Old November 16th, 2014, 02:16 AM   #6610
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I wonder if soft shoulders are dangerous in a sense that if you suddenly swerve and you are entering a different surface at high speed, wether this may create loss of control on the vehicle being driven.
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Old November 16th, 2014, 02:55 AM   #6611
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yeah they are extremely dangerous, especially if for example you apply brakes with 2 tires on asphalt and 2 tires on softshoulder, tends to make car spin
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Old November 16th, 2014, 10:53 AM   #6612
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I even think guard railing next to the right lane is safer than this pointless soft shoulder!
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Old November 16th, 2014, 11:08 AM   #6613
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...and this all the way from Gy÷r to Szombathely. There will even be a 2x3 section with soft shoulder at Csorna. Hopefully they reconsider this one day, and pave the shoulders afterwards. And I just can hope that the upcoming sections of M85 from Csorna to Sopron wont have that crazy standard anymore.
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Old November 16th, 2014, 11:25 AM   #6614
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Hopefully they reconsider this one day, and pave the shoulders afterwards.
I think that's the only reason why not to put the guard railing next to the right lane. I guess the hard shoulders will be add as soon as funding is available (haha) or it is required for safety reasons (to many accidents). Soft shoulders can be easily replaced by hard shoulders b/c most of the works are already done. I think soft shoulders do not save money at all! It's ridiculous to build it that way!
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Old November 16th, 2014, 12:39 PM   #6615
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I would've never expected this on a newly built motorway. I guess they managed to save a penny or two but decreased the safety at the same time.
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Old November 16th, 2014, 01:04 PM   #6616
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Denmark does it too.


Kalundborgmotorvej-9 by Chriszwolle, on Flickr

And in Switzerland.

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Old November 16th, 2014, 01:19 PM   #6617
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And in Switzerland
That's different. The poles are next to the lane...
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Old November 16th, 2014, 07:16 PM   #6618
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You see it some places and it is a motorway, I think M85 is only an "autˇ˙t".
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Old November 16th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #6619
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..don't get me wrong. This is not my cup of coffe either.
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Old November 16th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #6620
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I wonder if soft shoulders are dangerous in a sense that if you suddenly swerve and you are entering a different surface at high speed, wether this may create loss of control on the vehicle being driven.
Not with anti-lock brakes.
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