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Old March 20th, 2015, 10:14 AM   #6761
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Scheduled opening of M43 is 15 July.

Critical issue is the border control infrastructure, since its not u/c on the Romanian side...
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Old March 20th, 2015, 03:10 PM   #6762
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Romanian authorities have signed on February, 20th an additional contract to build this needed border control infrastructure with the association SC ASTALDI SPA - MAX BOEGL ROMANIA SRL - association which currently builds the A1 Nadlac - Arad highway.
They say the duration will be "125 days since the starting of the contract", but there is no indication when the contract will start.
If they start in April they could finalize it in July.

Source, in Romanian: http://www.cnadnr.ro/docs/comunicate...lac%20Arad.pdf

From other newspapers I learnt the new border checkpoint will have 20 lanes, 10 lanes per each direction: 6 lanes for cars, 4 lanes for trucks.

Source, in Romanian: http://www.romania-actualitati.ro/no..._control-73321

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Old March 20th, 2015, 03:16 PM   #6763
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...that means status quo, at least in next five years, for schengen zone ?
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Old March 20th, 2015, 04:22 PM   #6764
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I really don't care about that so much. For my, as roumanian, it doesn't take more that 15-30 seconds to pass through border control.

I now that sometimes (in rare cases) it gets congested, but it happens seldom.

On the other side, still wanting to be in Schengen means more fighting against corrupt politicians. And I'm so happy about that, that I really don't want to get in Schengen soon.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 05:06 PM   #6765
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Schengen is not related anymore to fighting corruption. The prosecution and the justice system are already giving the finger to all politicians and throw them behind bars irrespective of their position. I would say we have one of the most powerful and independent justice system in the whole of EU.

Schengen is about illegal migration, about the war in Syria, about Greece's crazy positioning concerning its refugees etc. On the basis of all of that, we won't get into Schengen this decade, even though we should formaly speaking. So yes, that check point will be there to stay for a long time.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 05:07 PM   #6766
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Is there any update about M85/M86 section completion? 25km were announced to be opened in May/June. The short M60 extension was also announced to be completed by June.
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Which new motorways are currently under construction?
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Old March 21st, 2015, 01:01 PM   #6767
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I dont know about M86, but M85 -especially section Györ-Enese- is in a pretty advanced state. Yesterday while driving there I saw that they started to put the traffic signs into their places. Section Enese-Csorna should also be ready until this summer, however, I dont know any exact date of inauguration. Maybe Qtya does.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 10:06 PM   #6768
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The European Commission has recently turned down Hungary’s request for EU funding for the construction on the M4 motorway due to overly high building costs, Hungarian news portal index.hu reported. The website said Brussels suspects a cartel behind the project, in which the construction of a one-kilometre motorway stretch cost nearly four billion forints.
http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/b...ced.29354.html

4 billion HUF is € 13 million per kilometer, which is indeed relatively high for a greenfield motorway in flat terrain, when compared to Romania or Poland.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 11:15 PM   #6769
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So more EU money for other sections of M4
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Old March 27th, 2015, 12:45 PM   #6770
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4 billion HUF is € 13 million per kilometer, which is indeed relatively high for a greenfield motorway in flat terrain, when compared to Romania or Poland.
I am not ruling out corruption, but just out of curiosity: why should a Hungarian motorway be cheaper except for the cheaper labour than f.e. Austrian A5, which costs 13 mio EUR/km too? I mean except for this, there isnt really anything what would be cheaper in Hungary than in Austria. A5 runs on flat terrain as well.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 03:07 PM   #6771
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maybe the land they have to buy is cheaper?
And there are probably differences in fuel and power prices and even things like food and accommodation for workers.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #6772
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there are minor differencies between food, power and fuel prices between these countries. They are sometimes even cheaper in Austria. Okay, land expropriation and transportation is surely more expensive in Austria, however, considering that this motorway includes a bridge over river Tisza on difficult terrain, I dont think there could be a much lower price for this. Anyway, I am curious about the outcome.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 04:22 PM   #6773
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And there are probably differences in fuel and power prices and even things like food and accommodation for workers.
Fuel is cheaper in Austria than in Hungary, Slovakia or Czech Rep.
Surprised?
Food? I would say basically the same. Accommondation, not much difference.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 04:31 PM   #6774
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Labor is much more expensive in Austria than Hungary. Land prices can be of a whole other dimension as well.

Most motorways in flat terrain in Poland, Spain or Romania cost around € 7 million per km.
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Old March 30th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #6775
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What are most congested motorways in Hungary?
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Old March 30th, 2015, 02:39 AM   #6776
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What are most congested motorways in Hungary?
That depends on the weekday, daytime and season.

The most congested "über alles" is M0, I guess. - although the recent widenings/completions may have brought some relief.

Right before and after major holidays (Easter, Christmas, ...) it is M1 and M5, given the gastarbeiter traffic in the respective direction.

On Summer Friday evenings, it is M7 in direction Balaton, as many Budapest residents rush to their secondary/week-end residence, or their relatives, at the lake, to spend the week-end there. Likewise, on Summer Sunday evenings, it is M7 in direction Budapest, with these people rushing back.
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Old March 30th, 2015, 02:42 AM   #6777
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How many cars per day? (more or less)
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Old March 30th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #6778
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Perhaps this map can help:


http://slideplayer.hu/slide/2097912/

The map is from 2011 and it shows not only motorways but the other main roads as well.

According to this the busiest parts of the system (over 50 k vehicles daily) are
1) M1 between Győr and BP
2) several parts of M0
3) the parts of M7, M5 and M3 which are close to BP

And yes, around Christmas time M1 and M5 resemble the main roads of central Budapest and so does M7 on sunny summer weekends.
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Old March 30th, 2015, 06:10 PM   #6779
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Old March 30th, 2015, 07:57 PM   #6780
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Do you think that M8 between Kecskemet and Gyor would bring some relief on M0 and parts of M1 and M5? I mean transit traffic is so high that is deserve another route, leaving the curent one only for local traffic?
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