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Old August 8th, 2015, 10:49 AM   #6981
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M85 M86 Csorna bypass

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Old August 8th, 2015, 03:40 PM   #6982
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There is some discrepancy between the English and Hungarian title of this thread as the latter only refers to "Hungarian motorways". Anyway I hope you'll like my brief introduction to the u/c northern bypass (road #445) of my hometown, Kecskemét.

Please take a look at this map:

http://kecskemet.hu/?r=701&c=23681

I am talking about the red line now between roads #5 and #44. the total length of this section will be 10.3 km long. It will form a complete ring around the town together with parts of roads #44, #54, the M5 motorway and the planned final phase of the project between road #5 and the M5 motorway (dashed red line).

The planned section will require the building of a new motorway exit (currently the town has 3) and it will provide a new connection between the part of the town called Hetényegyháza and the rest of the city.

The planned budget of the project was 13.5 Bn HUF ~ 45 M EUR. The road is close to being complete, rumor has it that they will inaugurate it around August 20th (the greatest national holiday in Hungary)

Some (lame) pictures taken by us at #5 x #445
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Road #445


Wildlife crossing


Observing road # 445 from the wildlife crossing


#445 x #441


The end of the road (for now)
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Old August 8th, 2015, 03:43 PM   #6983
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There is some discrepancy between the English and Hungarian title of this thread as the latter only refers to "Hungarian motorways".
Do you have a good alternate name we can use?
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Old August 8th, 2015, 03:53 PM   #6984
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Do you have a good alternate name we can use?
A possible choices include "Magyar úthálózat" (Hungarian Road Network) , "Magyar közúthálózat" (Hungarian Public Road Network), "Magyar utak" (Hungarian Roads), etc. Or we can go with "Magyar közúti infrastruktúra" (Hungarian public road infrastructure).
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Old August 9th, 2015, 03:15 PM   #6985
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Hungary should introduce (at least) a 140 km/h limit on the motorways and 120 km/h on expressways, just like Poland.
It's not like these 10 km/h difference will change the world, but it would be a clear signal that the "magical" 130 km/h limit so widespread in Europe doesn't have to stand forever.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 04:00 PM   #6986
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140km/h on the M6, yes. But many others such as the M5 and M7 should stay where they are - it's just too busy to justify more than 130km/h.

I would like to see motorway limits set according to the road and not according to a country-wide law - the M6 could even justify 160km/h for much of the length, for instance.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 07:01 PM   #6987
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M5 from Kecskemet to Szeged can be suitable for 140 km/h.

Entire M43 could do 160 km/h except for the Tisza bridge.
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Old August 10th, 2015, 11:47 PM   #6988
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suitable is one thing, but would drivers use higher limit? if not, it would cause problems between people using limit to the max and lazy drivers overtaking at 110-120 km/h

I usually drive with 140 on speedometer on SK motorways and I overtake most of cars, so I dont thik it is neccesary to raise speed limit here
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Old August 11th, 2015, 03:30 PM   #6989
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I would like to see motorway limits set according to the road and not according to a country-wide law - the M6 could even justify 160km/h for much of the length, for instance.
At least for motorways this would be wise, but for country roads I understand why they set up general speed limits or speed limits by principals.

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suitable is one thing, but would drivers use higher limit? if not, it would cause problems between people using limit to the max and lazy drivers overtaking at 110-120 km/h
Shouldn't be a problem, since before overtaking you should check your mirrors.
Also one should adjust to the speed which is safe to drive. So if there is dense traffic, one'll drive slower. (However there is still an amount of people driving reckless, so I understand your concerns)
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Old August 12th, 2015, 11:38 PM   #6990
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Which exit is missing here?
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Old August 13th, 2015, 10:00 AM   #6991
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It seems like it's the Csorna southern bypass of M85 to Sopron...
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Old August 15th, 2015, 01:38 AM   #6992
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Hungary should introduce (at least) a 140 km/h limit on the motorways and 120 km/h on expressways, just like Poland.
It's not like these 10 km/h difference will change the world, but it would be a clear signal that the "magical" 130 km/h limit so widespread in Europe doesn't have to stand forever.
I dont know if it the roads are well built or they just go straight forward like an arrow, but driving at 130 on Hungarian motorways outside Budapest ring just feels like you are not getting anywhere.

Sure, you can fool yourself by driving faster untill you feel you are driving at a good speed. But some countries could do with a change in their speed limit. If not for anything, just so you dont get fined on a day with no traffic and you are driving faster than the law says.
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Old August 20th, 2015, 12:48 PM   #6993
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Wow, Maribor strong. If it's so important to signpost it already by Csorna, they should extend the M86 to the Slovenian border, at least as a 2-lane expressway (we already have a long 4-lane expressway (H7) on our side ).
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 09:35 PM   #6994
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On M0 (Budapest bypass) appeared some signed reminding drivers to stay on the right lane when not overtaking:



The new M0, between M7 to M1, is now open on 3 lanes on this direction. On the other direction traffic is going on 2 narrow lanes, while the other 2 narrow lanes are under refurbishment:

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Old August 22nd, 2015, 10:11 PM   #6995
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Interesting that they signpost the M0 as a ring even though it's not a full ring yet.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 10:14 PM   #6996
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You should check all the Belgian ring roads Very few of them are actually a full circle.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 11:13 PM   #6997
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Some of those Belgian rings are like a quarter of a circle.
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Old August 22nd, 2015, 11:14 PM   #6998
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When is the repavement finished on the other direction ? Is it a quick repair or more lengthy
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 02:28 AM   #6999
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On M0 (Budapest bypass) appeared some signed reminding drivers to stay on the right lane when not overtaking:
Finally!! I guess these are largely inspired by the "Rechtsfahrgebot beachten - keep right" signs in Austria. Driver training on this is very much necessary. A large share of East block'ers can't handle three-lane motorways properly (i.e. hogging in the center lane with no or just sparse traffic in the right one, or worse, zig-zagging and overtaking on the empty right lane). In Socialist times, there were no three-lane motorways (they were more than happy to build even those two lanes), so unlike Westerners, they do not have decade-long experience with more than two lanes.
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Old August 23rd, 2015, 04:54 PM   #7000
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Speaking about the M0, is there any possibility of completing it??
(AFAIK it's 3/4 are completed)
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