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Old September 16th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #7041
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Old September 17th, 2015, 10:20 AM   #7042
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Hungary will build a barbed-wire wall on the border with Romania too.
That wall will be interrupted at the border checkpoints where people will be able to cross legally the frontier.

Israel has a wall of concrete of 8m height on some sectors of its frontier:


USA has a fence on some hundreds kilometers at the border with Mexico:

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Old September 17th, 2015, 03:26 PM   #7043
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M85/M86 grand opening today!
With the missing 3,7 kms of M85 between Kóny and Csorna/East, and the newly opened 12,5 kms of M86, bypassing the city of Csorna will finally be possible from all directions, except from/to Sopron.

http://www.nyugat.hu/tartalom/kep/392418

http://www.nyugat.hu/tartalom/cikk/m...lkerulo_atadas
I tried to figure out the subsections of Csorna bypass. The 3.7km section is directly continued, so I extended it by 2.1km (12.5km minus 10.4km M86 length). Do you know the official names of the interchanges?

M85: Csorna-East (M86) – Kony 5.8km (June 2013 to 9th September 2015) – ? – map
M86: Szilsarkany – north of Csorna-East (M85) 9.3km (June 2013 to 9th September 2015) – ? – map
M86: north of Csorna-East (M85) – north of Csorna 1.1km (June 2013 to 9th September 2015) [1st c/w] – ? – map

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The missing sections of M85 to Sopron are scheduled to open in 2018.
Your map shows a 4.4km red section. According to GM and OSM, the green extension to M86 is not yet opened and not yet u/c, so it should be this:

M85: Farad – Csorna-South (M86) 5.5km (Fall 2016 to Spring 2018) [2nd c/w] – ? – map


Are the other sections still on schedule?

M86: Szeleste – Hegyfalu 7.5km (October 2013 to October 2015) – ? – map
M86: Hegyfalu – Szilsarkany 33.4km (October 2013 to November 2016) – ? – map


What's about M4 construction, still suspended?

M4: Abony – Törökszentmiklos 28.9km (October 2013 to suspended) – projectmap


Are there more Hungarian motorway or expressway sections u/c or expected to begin "soon" (2015/16)?
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Old September 17th, 2015, 04:05 PM   #7044
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That wall will be interrupted at the border checkpoints where people will be able to cross legally the frontier.

Israel has a wall of concrete of 8m height on some sectors of its frontier:

USA has a fence on some hundreds kilometers at the border with Mexico:
All right then! Let's start building 8 meters high concrete walls with observation towers and sniper guards behind them, high-tech detectors and cameras all along, razor barbed wire fences and deep ditches between all EU member states, so that only "legal residents with proper papers" can pass . Seems to me like the beginning of the end of the Schengen Agreement and "European Spirit" has just started .
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Old September 17th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #7045
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I support your prime minister, but please dont discuss this bullshit here
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Old September 17th, 2015, 08:20 PM   #7046
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Then, what will be the impact on traffic when Hungary will finish to built this new "iron curtain" along its border with another EU member, I am sure they will reinforce border controls for Romania as well? Which, btw. will enter Schengen Area very soon, will they withdraw this "sharp barbed wire wall" and stop "non-stop" controls on the roads as soon as this happens? These are some legitimate questions for this topic as well.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 08:22 PM   #7047
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Relax, it will only go from the tripoint to the Maros/Mures river.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #7048
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It's going to be a bit longer, according to your FM.




BTW: I agree with Hungary's stance on the migrant (not refugee) crisis, because it is defending the EU treaties, although it cannot unfukc what Merkel has ....ed up. And I find Mr soon-to-be convict Ponta a dumb-fukc idiot for stirring an artificial diplomatic conflict with Hungary over the wall, so please do not judge us according to his idiocy. We will soon enjoy his dumb face behind bars.


I also agree that traffic between Romania and Hungary will not be affected as long as migrant routes will not go through Romania and then Hungary. And this wall may just deflect such routes.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 09:24 PM   #7049
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Israel has a wall of concrete of 8m height on some sectors of its frontier:
That wall is not to stop people from crossing. Israel has erected a concrete wall only along the approximately 5% of its frontier where terrorists were routinely firing rifles across the border into towns.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 09:27 PM   #7050
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Then, what will be the impact on traffic when Hungary will finish to built this new "iron curtain" along its border with another EU member, I am sure they will reinforce border controls for Romania as well? Which, btw. will enter Schengen Area very soon, will they withdraw this "sharp barbed wire wall" and stop "non-stop" controls on the roads as soon as this happens? These are some legitimate questions for this topic as well.
Romania will not enter Schengen by 2020, at earliest.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 11:06 PM   #7051
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Then, what will be the impact on traffic when Hungary will finish to built this new "iron curtain" along its border with another EU member, I am sure they will reinforce border controls for Romania as well? Which, btw. will enter Schengen Area very soon, will they withdraw this "sharp barbed wire wall" and stop "non-stop" controls on the roads as soon as this happens? These are some legitimate questions for this topic as well.
Romania has no chance of Schengen accession in the near future - perhaps air borders, but road borders opening are a long, long way away.

There won't be any impact on traffic because people should only be crossing at approved crossings anyway, and I don't think there are any places where unofficial crossings are tolerated by vehicular traffic. Schengen also doesn't stop Hungary from having fences along the border - the only obligation from Schengen is that physical controls are stopped at border crossings. If they want to have a huge fence along most of the border, then they can.

For instance, Poland and the Czech Republic don't allow people to freely cross the border in the Karkonosze National Park, and I'm pretty sure most of Tatry is off-limits for off-trail crossing as well.

Having said this, I'm pretty sure it's just a reminder to Romania to control the border properly and there won't be any need for such things.
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Old September 17th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #7052
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Yep, that's me who drew most of this, but work is still unfinished. The Google employees from India are not very helpful. See how they connected northern section of M86 to the old 85 because they are lacking recent satellite imagery

And shame on you Hungarians for not having these motorways already drawn in Google Map Maker before

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In Poland blessing new roads (and other new constructions) is a common practice as well.
It's not. At least when it comes to motorways. I can't remember the last time a motorway was blessed by a priest. Probably over 8 years ago. There are also no ribbon-cutting ceremonies.
It happens on local roads, though.
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Old September 18th, 2015, 03:40 AM   #7053
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Szombathely should also get new eastern bypass from Balogunyom and current M86/fő-út 87 junction. It would make shorter route and avoid some traffic lights and railroad crossing on so-called current bypass.
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Old September 18th, 2015, 01:29 PM   #7054
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Romania has no chance of Schengen accession in the near future - perhaps air borders, but road borders opening are a long, long way away.

There won't be any impact on traffic because people should only be crossing at approved crossings anyway, and I don't think there are any places where unofficial crossings are tolerated by vehicular traffic. Schengen also doesn't stop Hungary from having fences along the border - the only obligation from Schengen is that physical controls are stopped at border crossings. If they want to have a huge fence along most of the border, then they can.

For instance, Poland and the Czech Republic don't allow people to freely cross the border in the Karkonosze National Park, and I'm pretty sure most of Tatry is off-limits for off-trail crossing as well.

Having said this, I'm pretty sure it's just a reminder to Romania to control the border properly and there won't be any need for such things.
Thank you for your clarifications.

Yes, Romania will not enter Schengen soon, even if they were "supposed" to be already in .

Also, I suggest to continue this discussion in the "International border crossing" thread > http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...43111&page=684
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Old September 18th, 2015, 07:54 PM   #7055
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I tried to figure out the subsections of Csorna bypass. The 3.7km section is directly continued, so I extended it by 2.1km (12.5km minus 10.4km M86 length). Do you know the official names of the interchanges?

M85: Csorna-East (M86) – Kony 5.8km (June 2013 to 9th September 2015) – ? – map
M86: Szilsarkany – north of Csorna-East (M85) 9.3km (June 2013 to 9th September 2015) – ? – map
M86: north of Csorna-East (M85) – north of Csorna 1.1km (June 2013 to 9th September 2015) [1st c/w] – ? – map
No, sorry, I had no chance to drive there yet. But maybe wikipedia helps:

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/M85-%C...yarorsz%C3%A1g)
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/M86-os...yarorsz%C3%A1g)


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Your map shows a 4.4km red section. According to GM and OSM, the green extension to M86 is not yet opened and not yet u/c, so it should be this:

M85: Farad – Csorna-South (M86) 5.5km (Fall 2016 to Spring 2018) [2nd c/w] – ? – map
I dont know anything about Farád-Csorna, but it surely will be part of M85, not M86. Originally it was planned to construct it with Csorna bypass, but I guess it was put into the project Csorna-Pereszteg which should be constructed by 2018.

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Are the other sections still on schedule?

M86: Szeleste – Hegyfalu 7.5km (October 2013 to October 2015) – ? – map
M86: Hegyfalu – Szilsarkany 33.4km (October 2013 to November 2016) – ? – map
Yes, everything is on schedule. Section Hegyfalu-Szeleste was put into service today. NIF also confirmed today that with Csorna-Hegyfalu everything is going according to plan, and should be ready in summer 2016.

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What's about M4 construction, still suspended?

M4: Abony – Törökszentmiklos 28.9km (October 2013 to suspended) – projectmap
Yes, still suspended. Most probably they will "transform" it to a 2x2 expressway between Budapest and Szolnok.


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Are there more Hungarian motorway or expressway sections u/c or expected to begin "soon" (2015/16)?
I really dont know what projects will begin the earliest. There are so many informations, and so many changes all the time. Today it was announced in Szombathely that M87 will be constructed (to connect with Austrian S31). Nobody said anyting about an M87 road until now.

Pictures of M86 Szeleste-Hegyfalu

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Old September 18th, 2015, 08:14 PM   #7056
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Looks nice. Too bad they don't pave the shoulders entirely, how much money would the save?

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Old September 18th, 2015, 08:25 PM   #7057
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FMPOV, any motorway without a proper paved hard shoulder looks like a 1930's Reichsautobahn (tunnels and bridges excepted).

FYI, in France many new autoroutes are substandard despite being tolled: no hard shoulder or very tiny one, 2X1 or 2+1 sections, very short and sharp exits/entrances, etc.

Btw., what is the expected daily traffic flow on this section of M86?
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Old September 18th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #7058
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Looks nice. Too bad they don't pave the shoulders entirely, how much money would the save?
I dont know how much money they save, but yes, its too bad. I still have my hopes that they pave the shoulders someday. According to new informations M85 Pereszteg-Sopron should have paved shoulders. What happens if not, can be seen here. Natures takes over:

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Old September 18th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #7059
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Found "UNECE TEM motorway standards and recommended practice" which are for cross section:

- At least 2 X 3,75 M width lanes on each carriageway, in exceptional cases 3,5 M.
- At least 4 M median.
- At least 3 M hard shoulder, in which 2,5 M paved.

Link: http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/t...EM-Std-Ed3.pdf (p. 17-22).

It's clear that many new "motorways" does not meet these criteria.

So, I would ask what define today an European motorway? What are the minimal requirements for a road to be posted as such? Probably, each country in EU has its own minimal standards, in Hungary?

As a curiosity, S3/S6 in Poland looks not that bad for a nearly 80 years old motorway :
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Old September 18th, 2015, 09:27 PM   #7060
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