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Old September 2nd, 2016, 10:37 PM   #7481
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 06:23 PM   #7482
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 06:28 PM   #7483
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A lot of projects "under tender". How long does a (Hungarian) tender procedure usually take? Can we expect a lot of groundbreakings in 2017 (orange) and 2018 (yellow)?
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 07:08 PM   #7484
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A lot of projects "under tender". How long does a (Hungarian) tender procedure usually take? Can we expect a lot of groundbreakings in 2017 (orange) and 2018 (yellow)?
3-20 years. Great part of these tenders are only plans without any chance of a realization. The M9 between Szekszárd and Kaposvár is a dead project for example.
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:05 PM   #7485
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If D&B is really "under tender" (like the map indicates), M9 would not be "dead". Funding must be available because a contract should be signed "soon". Maybe the tender procedure is suspended?

Generally, who has created/updated the map and what's the source of the map's data?
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:30 PM   #7486
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If D&B is really "under tender" (like the map indicates), M9 would not be "dead". Funding must be available because a contract should be signed "soon". Maybe the tender procedure is suspended?

Generally, who has created/updated the map and what's the source of the map's data?
These are the level's of the process (with some example of the development's ends):

1. political claim for a road
- (the politically unacceptable plan of the M0 western part because the liberal nimbies of Budapest)
2. political plan about the road network
- (the M10 is not priority anymore)
3. political decision from the road network
- (the changed pland of the M9 between Zalaegerszeg and the M7)
4. political claim about the funding
5. political decision from the funding
6. political decision from the development (phases, etc.)
7. tender or decision about the trace of the road
8. tender for plan
9. tender for environmental permit
- (M9 between Szekszárd and Kaposvár)
10. tender for construction
11. the finalisation of the financing
12. final political decision from the financing
13. construction
- (suspended M4 construction near Szolnok)
14. end of the construction

The southern sections of the M9 is not part of any development plan anymore over the level 3. So the project basically goes back from the level ninth stage onto the third.
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:36 PM   #7487
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The southern sections of the M9 is not part of any development plan anymore over the level 3. So the project basically goes back from the level ninth stage onto the third.
That means, it was in "planning and design under tender" stage but should be in "planning and design tender suspended" stage. Just my 2c...
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:38 PM   #7488
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btw: What does "planning and design" mean? I only know feasibility studies, design contracts and "design and built" contracts.
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:38 PM   #7489
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That means, it was in "planning and design under tender" stage but should be in "planning and design tender suspended" stage. Just my 2c...
That is an official suspending of the M4, while this is a de facto consequence of the de jure situation without official affirmation. For example the the change of the M9 trace between Zalaegerszeg and the M7 was proclaimed, this is why not part of this map anymore.
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:41 PM   #7490
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Again, who has created the map? Have you created it?
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:43 PM   #7491
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Again, who has created the map? Have you created it?
Yes, I'am the creator. This is an SC project from the Hungarian section, because the state companies and institutions are lazy.
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 08:57 PM   #7492
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I like that But date and source (your name, user name or SSC group et cetera) should always be on the map. In addition, wording of the legend should be clear.

There's a Polish map with EN legend. Maybe your map could use similar colors and wording?
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Old September 3rd, 2016, 10:24 PM   #7493
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There's a Polish map with EN legend. Maybe your map could use similar colors and wording?
I think on a V4 project map, but there is a long-long way to a tender...
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Old September 4th, 2016, 01:00 AM   #7494
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For me there is lack of M-road and R-road numbers because I can`t remember where most of M-roads goes, I only know which are M1, M0, M5, M6 and M7, regarding others I have to guessing.

Btw, if M9 between Szekszárd and Kaposvár is a dead project, why you marked it with yellow?
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Old September 4th, 2016, 05:17 AM   #7495
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Btw, if M9 between Szekszárd and Kaposvár is a dead project, why you marked it with yellow?
There is no official standpoint in this case.
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Old September 4th, 2016, 12:00 PM   #7496
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Im surprised Hungary does not build more Half Profile motorways 1+1 ...in rural areas. There is such a section near the Slovenia/Croatia border.
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half-profile motorways still cost about 70% and full motorways are better for road safety...
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Old September 4th, 2016, 12:38 PM   #7498
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Im surprised Hungary does not build more Half Profile motorways 1+1 ...in rural areas. There is such a section near the Slovenia/Croatia border.
Thank God we dont. It was a mistake to build M70 like that. Then I like our new "fast-roads" better: 2x2 with no shoulders and no grade separation. But for example Györ eastern bypass (road 813) will be a 2x1 road only.
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Old September 4th, 2016, 07:54 PM   #7499
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M86 coming to town! ...end of October.





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Old September 5th, 2016, 10:26 AM   #7500
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By the way, do you think M86 will attract traffic from Carinthia and Northern-Italy towards Budapest and beyond? I mean it will be the shortest route between Graz and Györ, and only 50 km are non motorway between A2 (Markt Allhau) and M86.

However, I am not sure how truck traffic is regulated on Austrian B50 and B63, or if its banned completely from there maybe?
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