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Old October 31st, 2016, 05:38 PM   #7581
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What are the developments then?
There are plans to re-build road 86 on a new path in 2x2 between Szombathely and Egyházasrádóc, see the map at #7565 (from here to road 8, its already 2x2).

http://www.nyugat.hu/tartalom/cikk/86_egyhazasradoc

I have no idea why they dont call it M86 though, maybe they will re-name it later.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 06:42 PM   #7582
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I have no idea why they dont call it M86 though, maybe they will re-name it later.
I think it's quite simple. It will not have motorway standard, maybe not access-controlled? And M9 ist planned just a little bit east of it.

btw: According to the map, a tender procedure was started for designing the 1st carriageway of M8 up to Körmend. It's the extension of the future Austrian S7 which should be completed by 2022...
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Old October 31st, 2016, 06:54 PM   #7583
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I think it's quite simple. It will not have motorway standard, maybe not access-controlled? And M9 ist planned just a little bit east of it.
M86 is an expressway, and the section of road 86 already widened to 2x2 at Egyházasrádoc, could be integrated in M86 easily once the above mentioned section will be ready. It looks like this currently for 3,2 kms:



There is no difference between this design, and that of M86.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 07:00 PM   #7584
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M86 is an expressway
It begins at a roundabout and there's not intersection. Is the new F86 section planned to be grade-separted?

Is it really necessary to have two high standard roads (motorway/expressway-like roads) so close to each other there - M86 and M9?
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Old October 31st, 2016, 07:07 PM   #7585
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It begins at a roundabout and there's not intersection. Is the new F86 section planned to be grade-separted?
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Is it really necessary to have two high standard roads (motorway/expressway-like roads) so close to each other there - M86 and M9?
Good question. You are right that we should choose one road out of 86 and M9. Still, they are planning both of them:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=7542

See position 28 and 29 on this list for a 2x2 alignment of road 86 and M9. So I think at the end they will share the same path (or I dont know what they are doing )
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Old October 31st, 2016, 07:22 PM   #7586
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Dunno what column B and C mean but if it's a time schedule, it's different for 28 and 29. According to the map, they have different alignments, they won't share the same path...
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Old October 31st, 2016, 07:38 PM   #7587
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Okay, tbh, I dont know anything about M9 (this road is like a wet dream anyway), but building road 86 between Szombathely and Egyházasrádóc in 2x2 design is quite certain. So if our government has a little bit of a common sense they should merge both paths until Körmend.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 09:18 PM   #7588
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This Zalalövő bypass is quite far from the existing road, looks like the town is quite spread out.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:05 PM   #7589
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Agree that upgrading of the full section of 86 is easier... But it's not an option. The nearby cities, towns can't get profit from it which is important. That's why M9 will be build instead of M86 in south from Szombathely.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:12 PM   #7590
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Agree that upgrading of the full section of 86 is easier... But it's not an option. The nearby cities, towns can't get profit from it which is important. That's why M9 will be build instead of M86 in south from Szombathely.
Nothing against M9, but plans for widening of road 86 on that particular section, seems to be more advanced than M9.

http://www.alon.hu/fokusz/2016/07/va...vont-a-kormany
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:19 PM   #7591
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Nothing against M9, but widening of road 86 in that particular section seems to be more advanced than M9.

http://www.alon.hu/fokusz/2016/07/va...vont-a-kormany
Yes but 86 never will be expressway in here (július 31.nem most volt). M9 is planned.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:26 PM   #7592
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Yes but 86 never will be expressway in here
It could be. But the more interesting question is, if it would be a tragedy -except for the town of Vasvár- if M9 shares the route with road 86 until Körmend? I dont think so. I mean two 2x2 roads a few kilometers next to each other is too much.
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It could be. But the more interesting question is, if it would be a tragedy -except for the town of Vasvár- if M9 shares the route with road 86 until Körmend? I dont think so. I mean two 2x2 roads a few kilometers next to each other is too much.
I haven't problem with M86. I have problem with the line. Why do i prefer a 3.000 Zalalövő then a 60.000 Zalaegerszeg? Zalaegerszeg is the capital of the county. It needs a expressway/speedway between Szombathely(M86) and Nagykanizsa(M7), or between Körmend(M8) and Keszthely(M7). I see for it many opportunity if i look at Western Transdanubia region in Hungary. (Edit: Zalalövő actually have a nice bypass).
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I think we misunderstand each other: i am very much in favor for M9 to Zalaegerszeg. All I say is that a western route for M9 south of Szombathely would be more useful.

In detail it would be like this:

-M86 coming from northeast to Szombathely
-M9 coming from north
-they merge at Szombathely to one road all the way to Körmend
-then, after Körmend (M)86 continues towards Slovenia, and M9 heads southwest to Zalaegerszeg and beyond.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 10:54 PM   #7595
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I think we misunderstand each other: i am very much in favor for M9 to Zalaegerszeg. All I say is that a western route for M9 south of Szombathely would be more useful.

In detail it would be like this:

-M86 coming from northeast to Szombathely
-M9 coming from north
-they merge at Szombathely to one road all the way to Körmend
-then, after Körmend (M)86 continues towards Slovenia, and M9 heads southwest to Zalaegerszeg and beyond.
You mean the M87 from Kőszeg or M9 from Sopron?
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Old October 31st, 2016, 11:01 PM   #7596
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You mean the M87 from Kőszeg or M9 from Sopron?
I prefer M9 over M87 to be honest. M9 could also pick up traffic from Kőszeg, it wouldnt be that far from a future Csepreg ic. 15-20 kms max. So i think M87 doesnt make sense for us. When the Austrians complete their S31, then fine, but just for Kőszeg...no.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 11:15 PM   #7597
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This Zalalövő bypass is quite far from the existing road, looks like the town is quite spread out.
Verso, looks like you've never been there.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 11:52 PM   #7598
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Been there once in transit by train. It looks quite a detour on the map while the existing road is rather straight.
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West-east is very long, but south-north is short.
The only problem are twisty turns towards town and very long waiting time at railroad crossing.
Just two days ago I waited 4 minutes!!
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Old November 1st, 2016, 08:18 PM   #7600
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Zalalövő bypass - by bike

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