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Old December 3rd, 2016, 12:44 PM   #7641
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The time between the Olympic bidding process and the actual games is too short.

If the host is chosen, countries basically have 6.5 years to complete all infrastructure and facilities. In today's regulatory environment that's too short. Political decision-making, allocating funding, planning the infrastructure, construction time itself and possible delays lead to unfinished infrastructure before the Olympics start.

The large cost overruns and exorbitant cost of hosting the Olympics have reduced the interest of host cities significantly. They should reform the process.
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 12:59 PM   #7642
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Not that much infrastructure needs to be build actually, its the accommodation we would have the most work with as far as I know. (-some even say that the stadium refurbishing mission our government is on, is mostly because of the Olympics)
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 01:01 PM   #7643
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Well, that's what they said about the Tokyo Olympics (which are now 2.5 times more expensive than the desired budget in 2013).
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 01:03 PM   #7644
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If Ukrainians really construct this connecting road, it will be possible to extend the M3 all the way to the border, even if the Ukrainian connecting road won't be a motorway.
Probably it will be a 2x1 on the Hu side too.
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 01:06 PM   #7645
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Well, that's what they said about the Tokyo Olympics (which are now 2.5 times more expensive than the desired budget in 2013).
Let's not go off topic here. Tokyo2020 and the BUD2024 bid are far form being alike.
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Old December 3rd, 2016, 01:39 PM   #7646
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Yes, its needs to be widened. Until then, maybe we could try to open the shoulders for traffic temporarily when traffic is huge like they do it Germany:
Or would that be too risky?
I don't think that it's risky at all but it's quite expensive because shoulders are usually designed for not being regularily used. They often have to be totally renewed and emergency stop "bays" must be built. EIA is often required too. If it's additionally required to renovate the existing lanes, you have the same planning + building time and costs. See A9 Ingolstadt-Munich. That means, a simple 2x3 widening is often much better.
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Old December 4th, 2016, 05:02 AM   #7647
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Probably it will be a 2x1 on the Hu side too.
Personally I'd make it 2×2, but it's your money.
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Old December 4th, 2016, 09:58 AM   #7648
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M1 has an AADT of 70,000 between Tata - M0 intersection, and that of 60,000 between M85 intersection and Tata (approximate, rounded values). A 2×3 + shoulder (+ climbing lane where needed) would be absolutely justified between Tata and M0.
However for political (there are large areas in the country with not any single expressway) and financial reasons (it is not easy to get EU-cofinancing for a motorway in the most developed regions of Hungary) this widening has quite a low priority.

M7 between M0 and Székesfehérvár has an AADT of approx. 50-55,000. The most critical is however the short section between M0 intersection and Érd. Between Székesfehérvár - Balatonvilágos (road 71 intersection) AADT approx. 40,000.
However in the summer holiday season M7 is heavily congested in every weekend. AADT does not justify any widening beyond Székesfehérvár but holiday traffic may.
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Old December 4th, 2016, 12:07 PM   #7649
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Let's not go off topic here. Tokyo2020 and the BUD2024 bid are far form being alike.
That's always how it is showed, it's always so clean at first.... but then the cost rises without control like it almost always been the case.... and the previous cities who organized those Olympia had gain 30 years of huge debt to reimburse....

And there's so much other problems....

Those Olympia are a pure poisoned gift.

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Old December 4th, 2016, 04:54 PM   #7650
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Personally I'd make it 2×2, but it's your money.
Why? There's not enough traffic for 2x2. It will be empty.
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Old December 7th, 2016, 10:34 AM   #7651
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Personally I'd make it 2×2, but it's your money.
It's your money too, as it would probaly be financed from the 2020-2027 CEF. To reconsider my previous statement only the design phase and the preparatory works can be done till 2020.
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Old December 7th, 2016, 10:35 AM   #7652
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Why? There's not enough traffic for 2x2. It will be empty.
M6 same story, but noone gives a damn. Not even in Brussels.

Talking about the M6, whats up with the connecting infra on the Cro side? Verso?
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Old December 7th, 2016, 04:16 PM   #7653
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Until border procedures with Ukraine will be so time consuming as they are I don't see any reason to have more than 2x1 lanes. There is really no need.
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Old December 7th, 2016, 07:09 PM   #7654
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Talking about the M6, whats up with the connecting infra on the Cro side? Verso?
There's a plan to build a half-profile A5 from Drava bridge near Osijek till the Hungarian border. Here's an article (in Croatian) from 29 November: http://sib.rtl.hr/vijesti/baranja/19...e-granice.html

On the southern part of A5 (Sava bridge), the appeals are dropped and the contractors can start their jobs.
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Old December 8th, 2016, 03:07 AM   #7655
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Talking about the M6, whats up with the connecting infra on the Cro side? Verso?
Sorry, but I don't know so much about Croatian plans.

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It's your money too, as it would probaly be financed from the 2020-2027 CEF.
Doesn't the EU usually want 2×2?
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Old December 8th, 2016, 06:32 AM   #7656
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Upcoming projects in Hungary, starting (most probably) in 2017.





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Reconstruction of M0 between M6 and road 51 (without Deák Ferenc bridge)


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Old December 8th, 2016, 02:55 PM   #7657
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Jesus Christ.
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Old December 8th, 2016, 07:22 PM   #7658
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Upcoming projects in Hungary, starting (most probably) in 2017.
who will pay for it, Mexico?
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Old December 9th, 2016, 06:15 PM   #7659
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who will pay for it, Mexico?
It was told before here, that hungary might try to use up the money from EUs next financing period very fast.

Why? One can say, money you already spent, could not be taken back. But EU did nothing right now, to make Orban fear for any such financial sanction coming up. So why to hurry?
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Old December 9th, 2016, 06:38 PM   #7660
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Its not only EU money involved here. There are roads among the above projects (mostly the expressways and widenings), which will go at the expense of the Hungarian budget.
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