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Old October 26th, 2017, 03:12 PM   #7981
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So how is M15 U/C? There's literally nothing going on there.
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Чл. 141. На водача на велосипед е забранено:1. да се движи успоредно до друг велосипедист;
3. да се движи в непосредствена близост до пътно превозно средство или да се държи за него;
6. да управлява велосипед по площите, предназначени за движение само на пешеходци. Тази забрана не се отнася за децата велосипедисти.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 04:18 PM   #7982
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So how is M15 U/C? There's literally nothing going on there.
It's a desgn&build contract, with the detailed design planning already done, and the building permit also available. The construction plans are required to be prepared before the construction can begin. This is the phase we are in now.
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Old October 26th, 2017, 09:27 PM   #7983
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We have a winner on the construction tender of the M8 expressway Körmend - Rábafüzes (HU-AUT border) section

29 km 2x1 expressway
2x1? Two carriageways with each 1 lane or one carriageway with 2 lanes, 1 lane per direction or 2+1?

When are construction work expected to begin, in early 2018?
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:02 PM   #7984
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2x1? Two carriageways with each 1 lane or one carriageway with 2 lanes, 1 lane per direction or
2x1.
M2.. M15.. M70..
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Old October 26th, 2017, 10:13 PM   #7985
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1x2
one carriageway with two lanes


PS: 2x1 means: two carriageways with one lane each
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Old October 27th, 2017, 03:14 AM   #7986
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1x2
one carriageway with two lanes


PS: 2x1 means: two carriageways with one lane each
We use 2x1, 2x2 or 2x3 and +1 if have hard shoulders (Motorway, Expressway).
2+1 is rare (Main road).
(Based on Hungarian language.)
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Old October 27th, 2017, 10:12 AM   #7987
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We use 2x1, 2x2 or 2x3 and +1 if have hard shoulders (Motorway, Expressway).
2+1 is rare (Main road).
(Based on Hungarian language.)
Or 1+1 plus either 1 or 2 gravel shoulders. 1+1+2G probably describes the M8 best.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 10:57 AM   #7988
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We use 2x1, 2x2 or 2x3 and +1 if have hard shoulders (Motorway, Expressway).
2+1 is rare (Main road).
(Based on Hungarian language.)
2x1 means two carriageways with one lane in each. 1x2 or 1+1 means 1 carriageway with two lanes.Has nothing to do with language, but only with the definition of what a carriageway is.M15 is a 1x2 or 1+1 road.
2x1 road:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@42.47...7i13312!8i6656
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Чл. 141. На водача на велосипед е забранено:1. да се движи успоредно до друг велосипедист;
3. да се движи в непосредствена близост до пътно превозно средство или да се държи за него;
6. да управлява велосипед по площите, предназначени за движение само на пешеходци. Тази забрана не се отнася за децата велосипедисти.

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Old October 27th, 2017, 11:15 AM   #7989
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In Hungary, if you say 2×1, literally no one will think of two carriageways. In Hungary it means: a two way road having one lane per direction. Just like, for example, this one:
D4085 Castellane-3 by European Roads, on Flickr
1×2 means a one way road, having two lanes (both in the same diraction).

Additionally, in Hungary if you speak about a "4 lane highway", every one will think that road has 4 lanes per direction, i.e. 8 lanes altogether.

And it may be difficult to change the way you think.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 11:33 AM   #7990
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I am sure the M8 will be something like the M70 here

1+1 and 2 gravel hard shoulders. Also known as a Half Profile Expressway.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 03:45 PM   #7991
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But in a far rural corner of Hungary, non?
This part of M8 is the continuation of Austrian S7 currently under construction which would connect to Austrian A2 motorway at Ilz/Fürstenfeld in a few years.

All of it is pretty redundant as long as there is no direct expressway link to M86... it will still be quicker to use Austrian A2 to Oberwart and the state road to Szombathely to travel between M86 and Graz/places further south, because S7+M8 and state road 86 to M86 will be a few kilometers more and take longer.
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Old October 27th, 2017, 05:59 PM   #7992
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This part of M8 is the continuation of Austrian S7 currently under construction which would connect to Austrian A2 motorway at Ilz/Fürstenfeld in a few years.

All of it is pretty redundant as long as there is no direct expressway link to M86... it will still be quicker to use Austrian A2 to Oberwart and the state road to Szombathely to travel between M86 and Graz/places further south, because S7+M8 and state road 86 to M86 will be a few kilometers more and take longer.

I think it might be a viable alternative before already.

From A2 to M86 via Oberwart, you have >50 km on the national road; granted, most localities are bypassed, but it is not grade separated, has roundabouts, etc.

On the other hand, from north of Körmend where M8 is expected to end to M86 it's maybe 28km on the national road. So a few km more on the motorway might be easily offset by the shorter distance on the national road (even if M8 in the 1x2 state is only allowing 110km/h, and might have real speeds well below that).

In any case, we'll wait at least 6 more years until S7 is ready, maybe some other parameters change in the meantime as well :-)
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Old October 27th, 2017, 07:04 PM   #7993
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Ok, thanks. Will the road have space reservation for the second carriageway, e.g. longer overpasses?
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Old October 27th, 2017, 09:59 PM   #7994
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Hi All,

Some picture from today M4 and M35. I hope you'll enjoy.
Red arrow indicate position of the pictures.

part1
to Debrecen...




on the other side of road to border....


part2










part3
side to Debrecen...










on the other side to border.....

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Old October 27th, 2017, 10:31 PM   #7995
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Since not everybody can read Hungarian here ... letter symbols in the map:
  • "P" - simple rest area
  • "R/T" - complex rest area (i.e. with services)
  • "Ö" - ecological overpass (for animals)
  • Solid square with no letter - engineering unit
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Old October 27th, 2017, 11:06 PM   #7996
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Since not everybody can read Hungarian here ... letter symbols in the map:
  • "P" - simple rest area
  • "P/T" - complex rest area (i.e. with services)
  • "Ö" - ecological overpass (for animals)
  • Solid square with no letter - engineering unit
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Old October 28th, 2017, 11:53 AM   #7997
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I was watching your updated map of motorways and I was thinking if there are long term plans in making a motorway, or expressway from Gyor to Székesfehérvár and then to Dunaföldvár to bypass Budapest, making faster the transit from the South-East to the North-West.
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Old October 28th, 2017, 07:55 PM   #7998
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I think the 81 is very crowded with lorries to Slovakia, so 81 wouldn't be a disasters if it would be turned to M81.
Do not get me wrong, an expressway would do the shit. This is not new. Only cast away as an expressway...
But! Hi guys, let US build a full profile moto rway from Székesfehérvár to M15. What if a motorway from Dunaújváros to Slovakia would be a reality as M15(full profile Motorway)
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Old October 29th, 2017, 10:41 AM   #7999
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Also construction works for new 2x2 main road 83 (future M83?*) started today. The new road will be 36 kms long, and has 6 grade-separated intersections when ready. It will connect to M1 with a roundabout, like M85.
*sorry, there is a little bit of a mess in Hungary currently regarding R and M roads. Seems like the government finally let go the R-road term.
The announced opening date seems to be summer 2022 (source).

R83: Györ-Menfocsanak (M1) – Papa-North 36km (October 2017 to Summer 2022) – ? – map
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Updated project map. Thanks to Aladár.
red: under construction
orange: tendered
yellow: design/build
Sorry, I'm a little bit confused. I think red means under construction or construction works awarded but contract not yet signed and construction works have not yet been started!?!?!?

Or let's say... Please tell me what's missing in my summary and please update the estimated opening dates


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2017 opening:
M30: SK/HU border (Tornyosnemeti) – Tornyosnemeti 1.7km (June 2016 to Late 2017) – ? – map

2018 opening:

M85: Farad – Csorna-South (M86) 4.4km (Fall 2016 to Spring 2018) – ? – map
M35: Debrecen-South – Berettyoujfalu 25.6km (July 2016 to Late 2018) – ? – map

2019 opening:

M4: Üllo – Cegled 44.4km (April 2017 to Summer 2019) – ? – map
M44: Tiszakürt – Kondoros 62km (December 2016 to Summer 2019) – ? – map
M2: north of Vac-South – north of Dunakeszi/Fot 16km (May 2017 to 2019) – ? – map

2020 opening:

M4: Berettyoujfalu – HU/RO border (Nagykereki) 26.5km (July 2017 to Early 2020) – ? – map
M25: Eger-South – Andornaktalya 4km (June 2017 to 2020) – ? – map

2022 opening:
R83: Györ-Menfocsanak (M1) – Papa-North 36km (October 2017 to Summer 2022) – ? – map

Unknown opening date:

M4: Abony – Törökszentmiklos 28.9km (October 2013 to suspended) – projectmap
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