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Old April 2nd, 2008, 10:01 AM   #821
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Ta da!The tunnels of M6!
I can see the tunnel, but I can't see the hill.
do you have any photos on which we can see the hill?
(It does not matter how tiny it is :-))
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 10:10 AM   #822
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I can see the tunnel, but I can't see the hill.
do you have any photos on which we can see the hill?
(It does not matter how tiny it is :-))


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Old April 2nd, 2008, 05:17 PM   #823
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Its four small hills and four small valleys.
Yes they are small but one of the criterias of motorways is that elevation cant be more than 3 or 4 %. And even though they are small i still dont want to drive up a hill for 2 kms, and get up the top at 20 km/h. Thats what happens on M1 when there are loads of "hills" like this, that dont look much but are very unconfortable to drive up unless you have a more powerful car. Not to mention lorries and trucks.
So this is a bit like the Köröshegy viaduct where there are also no Alps around, true, but there is still that 80 meters of level difference, just look at the Köröshegy junction, the road leading up to it is practically a serpentine. So i really dont get what people are talking about when questioning why it was built.
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 07:19 PM   #824
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Oh my god! What a monster hill... :-)
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 07:29 PM   #825
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Its four small hills and four small valleys.
Yes they are small but one of the criterias of motorways is that elevation cant be more than 3 or 4 %. And even though they are small i still dont want to drive up a hill for 2 kms, and get up the top at 20 km/h. Thats what happens on M1 when there are loads of "hills" like this, that dont look much but are very unconfortable to drive up unless you have a more powerful car. Not to mention lorries and trucks.
you mean GRADE (not elevation)
the limit is 4%, but with climbing lane 6% is allowed.
and the 6% isn't too steep.
a 1Litre car (as mine) can climb it with 90km/h on empty and with 70km/h with full load.
and most of the cars are more powerful...

I can tolerate this little nuisance if i get more roads for my tax...
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 07:45 PM   #826
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you mean GRADE (not elevation)
the limit is 4%, but with climbing lane 6% is allowed.
and the 6% isn't too steep.
a 1Litre car (as mine) can climb it with 90km/h on empty and with 70km/h with full load.
and most of the cars are more powerful...

I can tolerate this little nuisance if i get more roads for my tax...
Take buses and trucks into consideration too! If every one of these spare 0,5l benzine(just on the Köröshegy viaduct),and the motorway sees 200 of them daily, thats 100 litres a day. In a year thats 36500 litres,which is 109 million HUF(with 300ft/l).

And if we count how much time do we spare with it...
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Old April 3rd, 2008, 06:29 PM   #827
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The u/c, 300 metres long and 25 metres tall viaduct of the M7 Motorway at Balatonkeresztúr... Photos taken on the 12th of March 2008...

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Old April 3rd, 2008, 07:18 PM   #828
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Installation of the M6-M60 Motorway's (Szekszárd-Pécs section) foundation-stone

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Old April 4th, 2008, 03:09 AM   #829
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I imagine this motorway will be very safe since a priest blessed it there probably won't be any accidents or fatalities on it ...
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I imagine this motorway will be very safe since a priest blessed it there probably won't be any accidents or fatalities on it ...
The priest "blessed" the tunnels. It is a custom to do this,to ask the saint of miners to help avoid fatalities.
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Old April 4th, 2008, 10:16 AM   #831
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It's an eastern European tradition i think. I never have seen such things in the Netherlands, although you see the occasional locals in traditional clothing, but no blessings. Well, the Netherlands isn't that religious anymore, and new motorways are usually seen as "irritating" (for them who live around them), rather than a new sign of economic development.
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Croats do that a lot too. We don't do it in Slovenia..
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It's an eastern European tradition i think. I never have seen such things in the Netherlands, although you see the occasional locals in traditional clothing, but no blessings. Well, the Netherlands isn't that religious anymore, and new motorways are usually seen as "irritating" (for them who live around them), rather than a new sign of economic development.
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Croats do that a lot too. We don't do it in Slovenia..
You dont have miner saints? This custom is not like the bulgarian one(where they pour water onto the road and stuff),but more like a "habit".This custom "asks" the saint of miners to care of them while they work in the mine(or in the tunnel). She is the saint of miners - Saint Borbála
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Old April 4th, 2008, 05:11 PM   #834
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Croats do that a lot too. We don't do it in Slovenia..
Actually we do that at the opening of construction works of _every_ tunnel.
That tradition of Saint Barbara blessing of tunnel works, as I know, is brought up from Italy, Switzerland and Austria.
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Croats do that a lot too. We don't do it in Slovenia..
yeah, here a fly cannot fly without priest :rolleyes: not to mention opening of some works. and some tunnels have little chappels built inside in the walls, similar to this at upper pics. don't ask, me, i'm not too religious so i don't understand it properly.
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Old April 5th, 2008, 06:25 AM   #836
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[QUOTE=Chriszwolle;19440911]It's an eastern European tradition i think. I never have seen such things in the Netherlands, although you see the occasional locals in traditional clothing, but no blessings. Well, the Netherlands isn't that religious anymore, and new motorways are usually seen as "irritating" (for them who live around them), rather than a new sign of economic development.[/QUOTE


As to the general public's view on new motorways in Hungary I'd say the bitching/ thrilled ratio is about 70/30, minus of course the 95 % of the population who simply know nothig about it, consequently have no attitude either. This "blessing" stuff must be some catholic wannabe hocus-pocus, after all we (?) are the ones who employ saints, whereas you guys in Holland do not. It is sooo traditional that this is the first time I actually heard of it. Btw the guy who performed the act is the bishop of Pécs, who kinda puzzled me at first blush with his colorful outfit, especially the head gear, so much so that for a sec I thought he might be representing the gay community, (too). (It could be so, but then its a mere coincidence.)
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Actually we do that at the opening of construction works of _every_ tunnel.
Oops, I didn't read it properly, I didn't notice it was about tunnels. I just thought roads (motorways) in general. I mean, I don't think of tunnels when I'm in this thread. I know in Croatia priests always bless every new motorway, but in Slovenia we do it just when it comes to tunnels, right?
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Oops, I didn't read it properly, I didn't notice it was about tunnels. I just thought roads (motorways) in general. I mean, I don't think of tunnels when I'm in this thread. I know in Croatia priests always bless every new motorway, but in Slovenia we do it just when it comes to tunnels, right?
actually, here they bless only larger or more important sections. they will not bless 1 km of A4 this summer, but probably will 30 km of A5 when it reach Osijek
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Old April 5th, 2008, 06:17 PM   #839
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There should be a map with all the roads, motorways, tunnels etc. that are blessed by priests, rabbis, mullahs, witch doctors, etc, so that people know which roads are "safer" than others, depending of course to which club you belong to, if any ... (I assume that when these roads are blessed a written guarantee is also provided)

Anyway, I think we have digressed away from the theme of following the 'great build' of the Hungarian motorway network.
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this is a tradition connected with mining, and for roads, these mining technics were not often used before thats why we havent seen stuff like this. its certainly not common practice to bless new roads. its done because there's mining going on, i believe.
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