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Old September 12th, 2008, 10:08 PM   #1121
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well, they are not so big projects that they couldnt be built simultaneously...
2nd bypass is about 70km, western sector is 18km...
(we were building between 200km and 300km of motorway simultaneously in 2005 or 2006...)
Western M0 includes couple of tunnels and it's in pretty hilly terrain (it seems to be more than 18 km long). Your proposal is in quite densely inhabited area and it includes Danube bridge. So they IMO won't be built simultaneously, although it would be the best solution. Well, we will see... Now you have to upgrade M0 from M1 to M5 to six lanes then you will have some time to upgrade whole network around Budapest.

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the problem is that the western sector SHOULD NOT be used to reduce the traffic on the southern sector.
the M3<->M1/M7 transit (corridor V) have to be directed to the eastern and southern sector (and not into the buda hills)

the western sector should be used only by the M2/11/10<->M1/M7M6 transit (which traverses the city currently) and the aglomeration traffic of course...
Now I remember, we already discussed it. IMO it's bad decision.

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Old September 12th, 2008, 10:59 PM   #1122
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What about section between old M0 and M5 ? This old M0 needs rebuilding... it's like 1X4 with concrete barrier only
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Old September 12th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #1123
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What about section between old M0 and M5 ? This old M0 needs rebuilding... it's like 1X4 with concrete barrier only
It is...a completely new side will be built.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 12:11 AM   #1124
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IMO the 2x2lanes will be enough for a long time on the eastern-northern-western section (M5-M3-11-M1)
Don't you think the traffic between M5 and M3 will increase once they finish the M0 between them? I definitely think it should be 2×3 from the beginning, it's also a 2-million city after all.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 12:15 AM   #1125
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Don't you think the traffic between M5 and M3 will increase once they finish the M0 between them? I definitely think it should be 2×3 from the beginning, it's also a 2-million city after all.
1,6. It was 2 million in 1989.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 12:20 AM   #1126
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Old September 13th, 2008, 08:34 AM   #1127
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Don't you think the traffic between M5 and M3 will increase once they finish the M0 between them? I definitely think it should be 2×3 from the beginning, it's also a 2-million city after all.
well, that's really not an easy question...

the problem is: the eastern sector will not ease a paralell main road, but many little roads... (and the 2x3 "Hungaria" ring in the city )

so it will attract traffic from many routes therefore it is hard to find out the numbers...

IMO there will be about 20-30.000 of AADT on the eastern sector in the beginning...
(and since the nominal capacity of a 2x2 is about 80.000, it will be enough for a long time)

but there is need no guessing anymore: it will be opened next week, so we will see the numbers in the next few months...

(a potential underestimation does not cause a problem: the eastern sector is prepared for widening: the banks and overpasses are 2x3 wide...
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Old September 13th, 2008, 08:52 AM   #1128
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Western M0 includes couple of tunnels and it's in pretty hilly terrain (it seems to be more than 18 km long).
to be precise:
between 11 and 10 it is 9km long (but this is part of the norhern sector)
between 10 and M1 it is 18km long (this is the whole western sector)

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Your proposal is in quite densely inhabited area and it includes Danube bridge. So they IMO won't be built simultaneously, although it would be the best solution. Well, we will see...
well, the problem is not the simultaneity.

the problem is there is NO plan at all for a 2nd bypass!

(the reason: there is a strong lobby group for a more farther and more longer semi bypass called "M8".
the very first peace of this bypass is the danube bridge at dunaújváros)


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Now you have to upgrade M0 from M1 to M5 to six lanes then you will have some time to upgrade whole network around Budapest.
yeah, thats right.
I hope the concept will change meantime, and the 2nd bypass will be put in the network plan...
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Old September 13th, 2008, 03:45 PM   #1129
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Lousy phone shots from the grand opening...













































Waiting for the mor pro pics...
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Old September 13th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #1130
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Beautiful! Although asphalt could have been cleaner.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 03:56 PM   #1131
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Nice pics. I believe the eastern section of M0 will open soon too.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 04:11 PM   #1132
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Some pics from M3:

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I've travelled on the M3 by bus on Tuesday (only a short section though, from Mogyoród to Budapest), and since I was sitting in the first row, it was perfect to take some pics

Ramp onto M3 at Hungaroring:


Entering M3:


Electronic sign (overtaking from right is forbidden):


New blue and old green signs at M3-M0 I/C:




Sign over the closed collector lane:


Old green sign direction downtown:


Exit for Újpalota and Újpest:


Reason for many jams, the traffic lights at Szerencs utca:


View from an overpass:


Exit for Zugló:


End of the urban section of M3, I/C with Hungária ringroad:
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Old September 13th, 2008, 04:21 PM   #1133
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Lots of roadnumbers on that last pic. When does the M3/M0 interchange opens?
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Old September 13th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #1134
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It's open in Northern direction (towards M2). Towards South it will be opened with the M0 eastern sector, soon
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Old September 13th, 2008, 04:56 PM   #1135
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Beautiful! Although asphalt could have been cleaner.
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Nice pics. I believe the eastern section of M0 will open soon too.
The bridge is not open yet. It will be inaugurated on the 30th of september,7 days after the M0-M6 junction.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 05:16 PM   #1136
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The eastern part of the M0 is badly needed, I see.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 06:44 PM   #1137
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But it will be opened soon
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Old September 13th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #1138
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Luckily. Nice pictures today
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Old September 13th, 2008, 07:43 PM   #1139
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But it will be opened soon
If I remember right, on the 16th of this month..
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Old September 14th, 2008, 02:17 PM   #1140
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Some more pics from the new bridge:

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My pics from Megyeri bridge:









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Now some signs:










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