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Old October 17th, 2008, 11:48 PM   #1261
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And one of these will be longer than all those on M6 combined!
How long they will be?

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Ok,let me put it this way: There's about 6600 vehicles on it(or 11000 unit vehicles-a vehicle can be from 0,3 unit to 2,5),while on main road 5(along M5!!!) its more,even 4x at some places(25000 unit vehicles). Conclusion: Traffic is not high at all on it,especially if we consider that the short M6 has the same traffic.
It's also important what is the percentage of trucks. Slovak D2 which in Hungary continues as M15 is not 2x2 due to overall traffic figures which don't justify motorway at all, but because of big number of trucks. At least that's what I heard. Not to mention unlike M6 where even tunnels are being built, upgrade of this expressway requires with little exaggerating only laying asphalt there since everything is prepared for 2x2.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 07:34 AM   #1262
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How long they will be?
Judging from the maps,about 2500m and 3000m.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:02 PM   #1263
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And now it seems these M0 tunnels are really necessary unlike those M6 tunnels.
that tunnels are necessary but not that long...
less than half of that lenght would be enough, the bigger part of them are for noise protection...
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #1264
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that tunnels are necessary but not that long...
less than half of that lenght would be enough, the bigger part of them are for noise protection...
Partly. And other half is "environment protection". Though the thousands of cars that are there anyway dont do any damage naturally...I'm waiting for the day when greens will say we shouldnt build anything,because we destroy the living space of worms...

And of course,nobody from Békásmegyer,Üröm,etc use cars,hence they object the motorway,because they dont drive in front of no-one's house,so nobody else should do the same to them.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:19 PM   #1265
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that tunnels are necessary but not that long...
less than half of that lenght would be enough, the bigger part of them are for noise protection...
Tunnels are quite expansive noise protection. Did they hear about some walls or stuff like that?
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:34 PM   #1266
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Tunnels are quite expansive noise protection. Did they hear about some walls or stuff like that?
Locals only approve tunnels,because of their precious "clean" air...
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Old October 18th, 2008, 01:43 PM   #1267
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Locals only approve tunnels,because of their precious "clean" air...
And that spoiled air from those tunnels will go where? I guess it will stay in that area.
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Old October 18th, 2008, 03:36 PM   #1268
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Not to mention the present situation, the always-jammed road , they shouldn't tell me it is not making much more pollution

About , it should be widened soon due to the freight traffic, this road's only advantage is that it is short Anyway the widening of is still not decided, which would be more important
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Old October 19th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #1269
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Old October 19th, 2008, 09:29 PM   #1270
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70 is worse for fuel consumption than 90.
Depends, with my car in 5th gear its quite opposite.
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Old October 20th, 2008, 06:57 PM   #1271
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I'm pro tunnel, but in this case, I think only Strabag wanted to build those M6 tunnels and with a little lobbying, they were on there way.

About M15... It's horrible. Drove on it last week, and with a V6 engine going with the speed of 70-75 km/h... I was like burning 20 liters and a lot more when overtaking. Trucks were driving so bloody close to each other... I just simply couldn't stop thinking about last weeks tragedy on M0, when a truck couldn't stop and crushed that family...

M15 is like 10 kms long on flat land, with all the complementary full profile bridges and overpasses already built. 5 billion to finish? Not much more...
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Old October 23rd, 2008, 08:55 PM   #1272
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M7 border has been inaugurated!
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Old October 27th, 2008, 11:39 AM   #1273
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I don´t understand why the hungarian authorities choose expressways (M15,M70),within a few years they need to upgrade those roads to motorways anyway.
These roads are designed as motorways.... than put just a "little" more money in the project and finish it from the biginning.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #1274
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...But there are more inportant projects at the present time ( M6,M4......)
and what about M2 and M8?
The last I´ve heard at there is not going to be any M8 between Veszprém and Dunaújváros for now, but they going to improve the mainroad between Székesfehérvár and Dunaújváros......What a HELL is this ?????
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Yeah, what about motorways in western Hungary? Isn't a connection from say, Györ to Lake Balaton planned? Would be useful for tourists from Austria and western Europe.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 12:54 PM   #1276
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...But there are more inportant projects at the present time ( M6,M4......)
and what about M2 and M8?
The last I´ve heard at there is not going to be any M8 between Veszprém and Dunaújváros for now, but they going to improve the mainroad between Székesfehérvár and Dunaújváros......What a HELL is this ?????
in my opinion, m8 will be for great use for people from romania and bulgaria going to italy, spain or france.the traffic from romania to that countries is important because 2-3 millions romanians are working in spain or italy.also for tourists it will be for great use, and will remove some congestion from m0.also as a tourist, i always prefer to take szeged-dunafoldvar-veszprem-graz road when i'm visiting southern europe, instead of motorway, cause it's 120kms shorter, and i don't have to pay any vignette.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 01:00 PM   #1277
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Construction of parts of M85(Győr-Csorna,2x2 expressway) and M86(Csorna-county border 2x2 expressway) will start next year,following the main roads with the same number.
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Old October 27th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #1278
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M86(Csorna-county border 2x2 expressway) will start next year,following the main roads with the same number.
Do you have more information about this section? Maybe a link?
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Old October 27th, 2008, 01:23 PM   #1279
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Do you have more information about this section? Maybe a link?
Only articles in hungarian from various news sources and the project descriptions on www.nif.hu ,also in hungarian. BTW,M30 Miskolc bypass and M25(M3-Eger) is also being prepared,maybe start next year.
Here's a summary:
http://www.roads.extra.hu/road_plans...ngary_2015.jpg
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Old October 27th, 2008, 02:11 PM   #1280
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No, not really. Maybe a M9-M8...something link in the future efter 2013.
(Zwolle´s question)

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