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Old November 1st, 2008, 02:38 PM   #1341
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Thats not entirely true. Chunks of it are ready or will be built in the upcoming years. According to this:
http://web.kozut.hu/uploads/media/BO...ANY_1_2007.pdf
,traffic on main road 4 in average is between 10000 and 20000,but on main road 6,it ranges from 5000 to 30000, so I'd say both are heavily used.
ANF 30.000 is in pécs, that is a town traffic...

on rural areas the main road 4 has almost 2 times more traffic as the main road 6...
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Old November 1st, 2008, 04:45 PM   #1342
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well, there is a little detour (from the straight line) at pécs, but there is a quite hilly terrain...
Oh, I see, I guess it's faster than a road over the hills would be. Is there any 'normal' (paved, relatively wide etc.) road over the hills, btw? Strangely, I don't see any between Véménd and Bátaszék. I mean, they aren't really mountains.

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the google plans the route between nagylak and pince on the M5-M0-M7 route (stat: 464km / 5h:5m)

forcing it to plan near the border it creates a route of 418km / 6h:57m...

so you spare less than 50km but loose almost 2 hours... not a good deal...

I think the best route is in the middle: (420km / 5h:37m)

check it here
True, but is there a big difference to my route? Cause by my route you don't need a vignette. If you look closely (not so evident though), I avoided the M7 between Letenye and Nagykanizsa.

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Old November 1st, 2008, 04:54 PM   #1343
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Oh, I see, I guess it's faster than a road over the hills would be. Is there any 'normal' (paved, relatively wide etc.) road over the hills, btw? Strangely, I don't see any between Véménd and Bátaszék. I mean, they aren't really mountains.
Even small hills can be very irritating when building roads, so that's why, probably

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True, but is there a big difference to my route? Cause by my route you don't need a vignette. If you look closely (not so evident though), I avoided the M7 between Letenye and Nagykanizsa (and only crossed the M5).
Just like for Slovenia, there should be a map for Hungary with routes that avoid the vignette
btw, a Hungarian vignette is 8 euros or sth, right?
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Old November 1st, 2008, 04:58 PM   #1344
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^ Way too much.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 05:02 PM   #1345
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Oh yeah, when driving to Serbia from here I'd definately go through Slovenia and Croatia, way cheaper. Ahum....
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Old November 1st, 2008, 05:05 PM   #1346
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^ I suppose you don't like motorways.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 05:08 PM   #1347
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Yes, that's why I'm in this forum
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Old November 1st, 2008, 05:22 PM   #1348
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Just like for Slovenia, there should be a map for Hungary with routes that avoid the vignette
btw, a Hungarian vignette is 8 euros or sth, right?
absolutely unneccessary because H vignettes are not expensive at all (as some other)
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^ Well, I'm sure if you went to Nagykanizsa, you wouldn't use M7.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 06:15 PM   #1350
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from Bjelovar i use border crossing Gola - Berzence, so no motorways at all
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Old November 1st, 2008, 07:22 PM   #1351
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btw, a Hungarian vignette is 8 euros or sth, right?
It's 1170 HUF (around 4,5 EUR) for 4 days.
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but if you're paying in € they will take you 6 or 7 €. i know that for trucks it costs 2760 HUF what is 10,5€, but they take 13, 14 and somewhere 15€ (mostly 13 and 14)
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Oh, I see, I guess it's faster than a road over the hills would be. Is there any 'normal' (paved, relatively wide etc.) road over the hills, btw?
no main roads only local roads... (only for advanture funs )

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Strangely, I don't see any between Véménd and Bátaszék. I mean, they aren't really mountains.
U R right, there is no direct route. There are many dead end villages in the Véménd area...

I think theres no technical problem with road building in that area, theres financial problem...

After the WWII the main goal was to connect the villages to the administrative centers, not to each other.
So it is not rare to do long detours between two neighbour villages if you want to stay on asphalt roads...

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True, but is there a big difference to my route? Cause by my route you don't need a vignette. If you look closely (not so evident though), I avoided the M7 between Letenye and Nagykanizsa.
well, our cheapest vignette is 5 euro (valid for four day), so you cant spare too much...
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Just like for Slovenia, there should be a map for Hungary with routes that avoid the vignette
btw, a Hungarian vignette is 8 euros or sth, right?
try google...

route options:
- avoid motorways
- avoid tolls...

cheapest vignette is 5 euro in the summer, 4 euro in the winter...


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sorry, DONT try google.

Ive checked it, it is wrong: sometimes it plans "avoid toll" routes on tolled sections, and avoids free sections.

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Old November 1st, 2008, 10:08 PM   #1355
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no main roads only local roads... (only for advanture funs )



U R right, there is no direct route. There are many dead end villages in the Véménd area...

I think theres no technical problem with road building in that area, theres financial problem...

After the WWII the main goal was to connect the villages to the administrative centers, not to each other.
So it is not rare to do long detours between two neighbour villages if you want to stay on asphalt roads...
Thanks for the explanation. It's amazing though, how many bridges over Danube have been built in the last years. M0 (northern), M8, M9, the one between Esztergom and Štúrovo (Slovakia). Any other? When was the southern M0 bridge built? In 1980's?
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Lágymányos bridge in Budapest too,in 1995. The M0 between M1 and M5 was built by 1994.
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That's 5 bridges over the Danube in the last 13 years. Wow!

Btw, I've just seen pics of the bridge in Baja, and it's so cool. Literally just one lane in each direction - separated by a railway. What if someone runs out of fuel?
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Your link doesn't work, Verso. The new M0 bridge still kicks ass
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^ It works now. I mistakenly posted the whole text as link.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:14 PM   #1360
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Are you drunk or sth?
It's a nice bridge, very narrow lanes indeed. They've chosen for a nice construction with those cables holding up the road deck over the truss
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