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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:22 PM   #1361
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Are you drunk or sth?
No wonder I go OT, when I have to reply to such provocations.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:24 PM   #1362
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I've had a couple of beers this evening , so no wonder I'm provoking you
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:26 PM   #1363
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Hah, self-explaining.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 01:59 AM   #1364
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It will be continued with bridges over Tisza like M43 and somewhere near Szolnok M4
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 09:27 AM   #1365
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Thanks for the explanation. It's amazing though, how many bridges over Danube have been built in the last years. M0 (northern), M8, M9, the one between Esztergom and Štúrovo (Slovakia). Any other? When was the southern M0 bridge built? In 1980's?
southern M0 bridge was built in 1990.


RawLee: The M0 between M1 and M5 was built by 1994.

more precisely it was built in 3 stages:

M5-51: 1988
51-6: 1990 (wiht the danube bridges)
6-M1: 1994


Verso: That's 5 bridges over the Danube in the last 13 years. Wow!

(and 6 bridges in the last 18 years...

well, thats really quite a fast pace, but we had huge backlog in danube bridges:

we've built NO new bridge between 1950 and 1990 on the danube!!!

so after this 6 new bridges we need about 9 another new danube bridge:

1. komárom (outside the city for transit)
2. esztergom (outside the city for transit)
3. vác (no bridge yet)
4. Budapest-aquincum (as part of a new ringroad)
5. Budapest-galvani street (new bridge for csepel island)
6. Budapest-albertfalva (as part of a new ringroad)
7. southern M0 2nd bridge
8. százhalombatta (a new southern bypass of budapest)
9. mohács

Verso: Btw, I've just seen pics of the bridge in Baja, and it's so cool. Literally just one lane in each direction - separated by a railway. What if someone runs out of fuel?

it has its story:

The "Türr István" Danube Bridge at Baja was originally built as a dual purpose road - railway bridge. Due to the increased traffic of passenger cars cantilevers were built on both sides of the bridge in 1989. During the next reconstruction in 1998-99 the road and railway traffic was fully separated. The cantilevers were strenghtened to carry heavy loads by adding prestressed suspensions and stringers. Finally, the railway deck was rebuilt as well.

http://pont-terv.hu/baja_e.htm

(we have a similar dual purpose bridge - without traffic separation - bridge at kisköre...)

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Old November 2nd, 2008, 10:13 AM   #1366
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There is such a situation now on the Hollandse Brug, A6 between Amsterdam and Almere. They're repairing the bridge now, and instead of 2×3 it's 2×2 now. However, there is an extra lane in the middle for a temporary 2×3, which is also very narrow. What if your car breaks down or you run out of fuel?
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 11:13 AM   #1367
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5. Budapest-albertfalva (new bridge for csepel island)
6. Budapest-budafok (as part of a new ringroad)
You mean "Galvani bridge" in the Andor-Galvani streets line and "Alberfalvi bridge" at Savoya Park?

The bridge at Mohács would be the M60 motorway between Main Road 56 and 51?
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 11:57 AM   #1368
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ok, you all are talking about running out of fuel at narrow places. the hell, when were you left at road out of fule for the last time and how many times did it happen?? and there are so many railroad single level crossings, what if you run out of fuel there?
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 12:07 PM   #1369
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A railroad crossing is not 200 meters long, so that chance is very low it happens over there. On a 200 meter long bridge you can always get a breakdown or sth.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 12:14 PM   #1370
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You mean "Galvani bridge" in the Andor-Galvani streets line and "Alberfalvi bridge" at Savoya Park?
yeah. (a corrected it in the original post...)

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I think it will be a simple main road bridge wint 2x1 lanes...
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 12:43 PM   #1371
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I think it will be a simple main road bridge wint 2x1 lanes...
I think a half-profile 2*1 lane motorway (or highway? I always mix these expressions) would be the good solution (like the M9 bridge).
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 01:35 PM   #1372
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2×1 can't be motorway. You probably mean expressway.

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6-M1: 1994
Are you sure about this? When I was there in 1996, I don't remember any signs on M7 pointing to (eventual) M0.

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(we have a similar dual purpose bridge - without traffic separation - bridge at kisköre...)
Interesting.

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Old November 2nd, 2008, 01:37 PM   #1373
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2×1 can't be motorway. You probably mean expressway.
Lots of countries have 1 lane motorways. They are also called super-two's. I remember the United States, France and Japan have some of them where traffic volumes are low and viaducts and tunnels are too expensive too widen/double for that small amount of traffic.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 01:46 PM   #1375
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Lots of countries have 1 lane motorways. They are also called super-two's. I remember the United States, France and Japan have some of them where traffic volumes are low and viaducts and tunnels are too expensive too widen/double for that small amount of traffic.
I know, but they aren't real motorways then. Americans call them "two-lane freeways" (we also used to call them like that in Slovenian). Now you could argue that a two-lane freeway is a freeway too (as it contains the word), but that's just not it.
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I agree, it doesn't comply with motorway standards, but I don't remember the French A28 losing motorway status at the 1 lane bridges.
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Old November 2nd, 2008, 02:16 PM   #1377
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^ Oh, if they are short, it's ok, you also don't put the-end-of-motorway sign by junctions with just one lane per direction.
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Verso never accepts those short 2 way sections at some special objects as motorway parts. prooved at HR which still doesnt' have 1000 km motorways because of 2 two-laned tunnels

@Chris - you have those 1+1 motorways in NL too, right?
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Verso never accepts those short 2 way sections at some special objects as motorway parts. prooved at HR which still doesnt' have 1000 km motorways because of 2 two-laned tunnels
I exclude Karavanke, you exclude Mala Kapela and Sv. Rok.
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you have those 1+1 motorways in NL too, right?
No, I don't think so - Chris?
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