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Old December 17th, 2008, 07:22 PM   #1561
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the 8km section of M6 including 3km tunnel and 1.3km viaduct costs about 200M eur...
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Old December 17th, 2008, 08:48 PM   #1562
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the 8km section of M6 including 3km tunnel and 1.3km viaduct costs about 200M eur...
That's pretty cheap.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 08:54 PM   #1563
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25 mill € per km is not cheap, it is about double average price
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #1564
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Yeah, the Dutch A4 in Midden-Delfland (just some rural area) will cost 100 million euro's.......per km
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:04 PM   #1565
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25 mill € per km is not cheap, it is about double average price
Yes, but you cannot compare it to 8 km section in some lowland without any tunnels and longer bridges. If I take into account length of the tunnel and viaduct it's pretty cheap (at least if I compare it to the prices in Slovakia).
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #1566
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Yeah, the Dutch A4 in Midden-Delfland (just some rural area) will cost 100 million euro's.......per km
so thats an oktople average price...
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #1567
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Yes, but you cannot compare it to 8 km section in some lowland without any tunnels and longer bridges. If I take into account length of the tunnel and viaduct it's pretty cheap (at least if I compare it to the prices in Slovakia).
well, i'm considering about it too ok, then it is not double, but average price is still under 20 mil. per km. but prices of motorways' construction are really variable, like there's no rule. in Croatia the most expensive one will be the easiest to build
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Old December 18th, 2008, 07:52 PM   #1568
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The southern section of M0 between M1 and M5 will be full profile from the end of 2011!

Development starts next year.

Deadline for the sections between M1-M6 and Main road 51-M5 is 30th of June 2011. The section between M6 and Main road 51 with two new Danube bridges is supposed to be finished by the 31st of Dec 2011.

Other developments starting next year:

- M43 from Makó till the border
- M9 Expressway between Dusnok and Main road 54 (12,3 kms)
- Hopefully M44 between Kondoros and Tiszakürt (63 kms)
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Old December 18th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #1569
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That's pretty cheap.
I think it was wrong data...

it is rather 1,5 - 2 times more... (300-400M eur)
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Old December 18th, 2008, 09:01 PM   #1570
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Other developments starting next year:

- M43 from Makó till the border
- M9 Expressway between Dusnok and Main road 54 (12,3 kms)
- Hopefully M44 between Kondoros and Tiszakürt (63 kms)
M44 is a PPP project, probably start next year.
M3 between Nyíregyháza and Vásárosnamény also.

New and reconstructed roads until 2013:
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Old December 19th, 2008, 01:02 AM   #1571
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I don't think you'll have problems in Budapest. However in cities like Szeged, for example, it's a bit harder to find English speakers. In a major hypermarket, they had to find someone who spoke some broken Romanian for us - even though we were asking in English.

That's my experience, maybe I just had some bad luck. Though I think your knowledge of German will also come in handy, like RawLee said.
I was only once in Hungary in Hajduszoboszlo and nobody spoke English. My friends, when they were reternig, they visited Budapest and also had problems to comunicate in English. Maybe bad luck.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 06:41 AM   #1572
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M44 is a PPP project, probably start next year.
M3 between Nyíregyháza and Vásárosnamény also.

New and reconstructed roads until 2013:
Can you please give the link to this image (maybe a larger version), and pertaining legend in English? Thank you
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Old December 19th, 2008, 09:08 AM   #1573
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Can you please give the link to this image (maybe a larger version), and pertaining legend in English? Thank you
Large version

Legend (in order)
- Strengthen main roads (11,5 t/axle)
- Existing main roads with 2*2 lane
- Existing motorways
- Existing half profile motorways
- Existing half profile motorways (upgraged until 2013)
- Planned new main roads egy bypasses
- Strengthen main roads until 2013
- Planned 2*2 lane main roads (uprage and new road)
- Planned motorways
- Planned half-profile motorways

The M9 is marked as full profile motorway, but the full section is built/planned with half profile.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #1574
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Old December 19th, 2008, 08:27 PM   #1575
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I will make some comments to this strategy, especially related to the sections in Eastern Hungary (as I am from Romania).

1. The planning mistakes from the M3/M35 corridor continue.
You're absolutely right! The M3-M35 juction would be ideally between Hajdúdorog and Újfehértó.

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2. It's funny how M8 between M5 and M44 is single carriageway, and after the junction, M44 is double carriageway (when, obviously, traffic on the M8 section mentioned above will be greater than on M44).
Yes, It's a political motorway. A 2*1 motorway would be perfect (and recommended). But I don't think M6 would be enough with 2*1.
The short M5-M44 section in M8 would be better with

[QUOTE=wdw35;29615910]Also, M4 from M0 to Szolnok should clearly be 2x2.[/QUTOE]

I don't know why would be the M4 full 2*2 except Abony and Kisújszállás bypass.

[QUOTE=wdw35;29615910]3. I strongly believe that the M9 section between M5 and M6 should've been in the plan until 2013, at least as 2x1 (instead of, say, doing M44 2x2 or the rest of M9 2x2).[/QUTOE]

M9 will be 2*1 (I know, the map shows 2*2)!
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Old December 19th, 2008, 10:39 PM   #1576
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I think M9(or M8,for that matter) must be built in one phase. If we build it in segments,we lure the traffic from M1 and M3 to the county roads...which will do more harm than if we dont build them at al.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #1577
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I think M9(or M8,for that matter) must be built in one phase. If we build it in segments,we lure the traffic from M1 and M3 to the county roads...which will do more harm than if we dont build them at al.
I don't get what those roads have to do with each other
Looking at the map, they're going in totally different directions...
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Old December 19th, 2008, 11:23 PM   #1578
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M8 and M9 are both alternative west-east connections to the M1-M3 corridor, and when built they will attract a significant amount of transit traffic (especially trucks), not to mention they will shorten some distances.
The point that RawLee was trying to make is that if they are not built completely "in one phase" (give or take a few years), roads 62 and 61 (ot 55) will be jammed with trucks.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 11:31 PM   #1579
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I don't get what those roads have to do with each other
Looking at the map, they're going in totally different directions...


When they get built,romanians,bulgarians,turks and ukrainans will use M8 or M9. If they are not built on the whole length in one move,we just relocate the traffic from M3/M1 to these roads,even if there's no motorway all the way.
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Old December 19th, 2008, 11:33 PM   #1580
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I see. So currently a truck going from let's say Pecs to Romania/Ukraine (I don't know if that kind of traffic is really significant) will take M3 motorway or will rather try to make its way through local roads heading east?
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