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Old January 11th, 2009, 10:46 AM   #1721
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Is Radi going to switch his Struma obsession to a M5 obsession?
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Old January 11th, 2009, 01:19 PM   #1722
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...well,then it´s good that M5 is not the most expensive motorway in Europe anymore.
as you noticed it´s turned into the national "vignette" system.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 09:12 PM   #1723
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its a good job he didnt drive on the concrete section of the M0 with all the noise it produces, its not smooth at all
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Old January 11th, 2009, 10:14 PM   #1724
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its a good job he didnt drive on the concrete section of the M0 with all the noise it produces, its not smooth at all
But it wont get bad in 50 years! and the southern half of M0 will be concrete too.
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Old January 11th, 2009, 10:58 PM   #1725
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Old January 13th, 2009, 02:32 PM   #1726
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Planning of western M0 has been ordered!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2616

The planning phase will end by 2010 november 30. It will be 2x2+e,with design speed of 90.
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Old January 13th, 2009, 02:52 PM   #1727
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You mean the whole section from Üröm to Biatorbágy?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #1728
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Design speed of 90? What is this, 1930?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 03:31 PM   #1729
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The ringroad of Amsterdam also has some 80 km/h sections. It is supposed to improve the traffic flow and reduce the amount of jams. Over here it didn't really work out though
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Old January 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #1730
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There's a difference between design speed and speed limit. Dutch motorways are designed for 140 km/h, while the speed limit is 120 km/h. German Autobahns have a similar design speed, and have a 999 km/h speed limit.
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Old January 13th, 2009, 03:48 PM   #1731
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how many mountains are there around amsterdam?


i think the speed limit will be 80 in tunnels (almost half of the section), and between 80-110 on other sections
now, that wont stop hungarians _like myself_ from pushing the throttle to well above 130 like on the eastern section which is also theoretically only 110 but the inside lane is going much faster all the time (that is, until the safety-nazis put some cameras up )

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Old January 13th, 2009, 03:50 PM   #1732
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Yes,all the way from main road 11 to M1.

I think the design speed here is 90 because this way there wont be narrow points because of trucks. You wont be able to go much faster anyway...and maybe they want to discourage through traffic to M3...maybe this will mean higher capacity too(because you will need a smaller following distance)...
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Well, 110 is okay, but 90 is way too slow for a beltway. If it was in the middle of Budapest, I'd say; okay...
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Well, 110 is okay, but 90 is way too slow for a beltway. If it was in the middle of Budapest, I'd say; okay...
give over, theres gonna be an M100 if the capacity requires it in the future

and as i said, half of the way it will go in tunnels anyway, with speed cameras, at 80kph
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Yes,all the way from main road 11 to M1.

I think the design speed here is 90 because this way there wont be narrow points because of trucks. You wont be able to go much faster anyway...and maybe they want to discourage through traffic to M3...maybe this will mean higher capacity too(because you will need a smaller following distance)...
LOL since when do hungarian drivers give a s..t about following distance?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 04:17 PM   #1736
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Design speed of 90? What is this, 1930?
Here they have recently revised the proposal for an as yet unbuilt motorway to increase the design speed from 100 to 110 km/h. I don't understand what needs revising on a semi-rural motorway to make it safe to travel at 110 km/h; the three-year-old M7 motorway has been given a speed limit of 100, but for what reason I cannot imagine, as it would be perfectly safe to drive most of it at 140.
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Design speed has mostly to do with the alignment of a freeway. Their curves, capacity and ramps. Most NYC parkways/expressways were build with design speeds of the 1930's. I think a great deal of the NYC congestion has to do with the design of their parkways/expresways rather than capacity alone.
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Old January 13th, 2009, 04:27 PM   #1738
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LOL since when do hungarian drivers give a s..t about following distance?
Wether we give or not,you can notice that most people keep longer distance at high speeds.

And I can imagine that 90 was set so that tighter curves could be built.
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Old January 13th, 2009, 04:36 PM   #1739
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anyway, im glad this is moving on
i was expecting another 10 years before completion, this is really good news

(now, if they were only building the 2x3+1 M10 and the Aquincum bridge...)
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Old January 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM   #1740
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Well, 110 is okay, but 90 is way too slow for a beltway. If it was in the middle of Budapest, I'd say; okay...
This section needs 4-6 km of tunnel(s). These few km will be limited to 80-90 km/h. The other sections could be designed upto 110 km/h.
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