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Old January 13th, 2009, 06:32 PM   #1741
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Usually you can add 30 km/h to design speed to set the speed limit. That means on this section outside tunnels 120 could be allowed, but I think there will be 110 instead which is still good for an expressway in such terrain.
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Old January 13th, 2009, 08:23 PM   #1742
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Design speed of 90? What is this, 1930?
Looking at financial crisis, it's exactly 1930.

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give over, theres gonna be an M100 if the capacity requires it in the future
M100? Where?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 08:36 PM   #1743
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M100? Where?
Here:
http://roads.extra.hu/road_plans/m10..._oh_bicske.jpg
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Old January 13th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #1744
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Will it be kind of Budapest outer bypass?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 08:53 PM   #1745
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Will it be kind of Budapest outer bypass?
It will basically be the rerouting of M6 to the north.

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Old January 13th, 2009, 10:10 PM   #1746
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So the M15 is already planned to become a motorway. As well as western part of M9; that will be the fastest way between Bratislava and Zagreb. Could someone please translate the legend?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 10:39 PM   #1747
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So the M15 is already planned to become a motorway. As well as western part of M9; that will be the fastest way between Bratislava and Zagreb. Could someone please translate the legend?
motorway
expressway
"primary" main roads(I cant really say a better word for it,but this concept already exists in the form of single-digit main roads,literal translation would be meaningless "elevated,accentuated,raised",so this is like above primary and secondary main roads,but below expressway)
main road - existing
main road - planned
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Old January 13th, 2009, 11:17 PM   #1748
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So the M15 is already planned to become a motorway. As well as western part of M9; that will be the fastest way between Bratislava and Zagreb. Could someone please translate the legend?
dont hold your hopes up, unfortunately these maps they produce are quite unreliable

for example M44 is shown here as an 'autoroute/expressway' but they are building the first section as a full-blown highway 2x(2+1)

furthermore, M4 is shown there as highway but the section near budapest will start out as main road upgraded to 2x2 without service lane

unfortunately, the same can be said about the M86


they are "saving" money by spending "only" 80-90 % of the cost of a highway -- and we end up with no emergency lanes and lower speed, lower capacity
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Old January 13th, 2009, 11:28 PM   #1749
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So the M15 is already planned to become a motorway. As well as western part of M9; that will be the fastest way between Bratislava and Zagreb. Could someone please translate the legend?
I would appreciate faster construction of E65 (M15, M86 and M9) a lot since Slovak (also know as Adriatic) sea needs better access to its capital. But, seriously, at least M15 should be upgraded soon. I guess, it's one of the busiest 2x1 expressways in Hungary.

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"primary" main roads(I cant really say a better word for it,but this concept already exists in the form of single-digit main roads,literal translation would be meaningless "elevated,accentuated,raised",so this is like above primary and secondary main roads,but below expressway)
Maybe something like superior?

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Old January 13th, 2009, 11:34 PM   #1750
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I must say, this link http://roads.extra.hu/road_plans/gyorsforgalmi.html
is very very nice. A lot of maps and plans. Thank you.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 12:01 AM   #1751
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I would appreciate faster construction of E65 (M15, M86 and M9) a lot since Slovak (also know as Adriatic) sea needs better access to its capital. But, seriously, at least M15 should be upgraded soon. I guess, it's one of the busiest 2x1 expressways in Hungary.
M2 has twice the traffic all the way to Vác,but half profil after Fót. And that is what will be extended in the near future.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 12:27 AM   #1752
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motorway
expressway
"primary" main roads(I cant really say a better word for it,but this concept already exists in the form of single-digit main roads,literal translation would be meaningless "elevated,accentuated,raised",so this is like above primary and secondary main roads,but below expressway)
main road - existing
main road - planned
Thanks! For the bolded part it says "kiemelt főút 2×2 sáv". Does it mean it will be some kind of a 4-lane undivided road? I see some new expressways (or whatever), like M75, M76...
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Old January 14th, 2009, 12:39 AM   #1753
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"kiemelt főút 2×2 sáv". Does it mean it will be some kind of a 4-lane undivided road?
something like this:
http://www.nif.hu/multimedia/gallery...b_sszJPG15.jpg
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Old January 14th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #1754
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Thanks! For the bolded part it says "kiemelt főút 2×2 sáv". Does it mean it will be some kind of a 4-lane undivided road? I see some new expressways (or whatever), like M75, M76...
I think it means uncontrolled access divided expressway,for example M80 has ordinary turning-lane junctions,and main road 37 has roundabouts and ordinary junctions.

M80 by Sieg




main road 37 by me




These roads I think dont have strict grade and radius restrictions,neither complete separation from the surroundings. I've even seen bus stops and pedestrian crossings on them.

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As you can see,they have "main road" designation,but,at least main road 37,have 110 speed limit on the 2x2 sections.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #1755
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This is even divided. Does that mean that M75 will be wider than M70?
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Old January 14th, 2009, 02:01 AM   #1756
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This is even divided. Does that mean that M75 will be wider than M70?
we wont know until its built, and thats about 8 elections and governments away, its not really a priority......
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Old January 14th, 2009, 09:55 AM   #1757
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Here they have recently revised the proposal for an as yet unbuilt motorway to increase the design speed from 100 to 110 km/h. I don't understand what needs revising on a semi-rural motorway to make it safe to travel at 110 km/h; the three-year-old M7 motorway has been given a speed limit of 100, but for what reason I cannot imagine, as it would be perfectly safe to drive most of it at 140.
What motorway is being planned? Is it in Sydney? I thought the only addition being planned was to extend the Newcastle Freeway to the M2, which I thought is going to be a tunnel.
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Old January 14th, 2009, 01:09 PM   #1758
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This is even divided. Does that mean that M75 will be wider than M70?
the M70 is not narrow, but half profile...
if I want to say an example for narrow, I'd say the A5 on the other side of the border...
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Old January 14th, 2009, 01:43 PM   #1759
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M2 has twice the traffic all the way to Vác,but half profil after Fót. And that is what will be extended in the near future.
Why not both?
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Old January 14th, 2009, 02:18 PM   #1760
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Why not both?
M15 is running on 65% capacity,while M2 on 60-116%. About 40% seems to be the national average of usage. So most of our network is oversized(or was in 2007). But we dont build motorways for the people primarily,but for the economy.
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