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Old January 23rd, 2009, 12:08 PM   #1781
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Old January 23rd, 2009, 02:42 PM   #1782
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As I see this motorway will be asphalt again, that´s good, since Hungary use very good very soft asphalt on their motorways so it´s pleasant to drive on them.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 01:48 AM   #1783
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I have to disagree. For the sub-contractors,the contractor is responsible. Hence,its not the state,but Hídépítő that didnt pay them yet(because Hídépítő didnt complain about lack of payment).
according to this news video
http://index.hu/video/2009/01/23/aki..._kaptak_semmit

_half_ of the construciton money has 'disappeared',
thats 90 million (!!!!!!) EUR

people gone homeless, small businesses bust, families disrupted


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Old January 24th, 2009, 10:37 AM   #1784
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they are talking nonsense...

maybe they should try the law court...
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Old January 24th, 2009, 05:08 PM   #1785
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they are talking nonsense...

maybe they should try the law court...
maybe youre not the cynic ive got to know
maybe youre just another apologist
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Old January 24th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #1786
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maybe you understand what you are talking about...

the case is simple:
they were contracted with the GANZ, so they have to sue the GANZ.

nor the STATE, nor the NIF, nor the HÍDÉPÍTŐ are affected in this case...
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Old January 24th, 2009, 07:39 PM   #1787
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maybe you understand what you are talking about...

the case is simple:
they were contracted with the GANZ, so they have to sue the GANZ.

nor the STATE, nor the NIF, nor the HÍDÉPÍTŐ are affected in this case...

and why are there FOUR levels (state budget, then nif, then hidépítő, then ganz, then the actual builders, so make that FIVE) the money has to pass through before it gets to the people ACTUALLY building the f-in bridge?

if everyone skims off just 5% as profit, that would be enough to build all the bridges on the Ipoly
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Old January 24th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #1788
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Because if it wasnt for subcontracting,we would have 1 company doing everything in the country,and there would be million times bigger scandals and money-wasting than what we have now with Strabag.Its obvious HÍdépítő cant build steel structures,but its possible they dont have the technology to treat steel the way it is needed.

The bigger the job,the wider area of expertise you need to build it.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 09:05 PM   #1789
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Because if it wasnt for subcontracting,we would have 1 company doing everything in the country,and there would be million times bigger scandals and money-wasting than what we have now with Strabag.Its obvious HÍdépítő cant build steel structures,but its possible they dont have the technology to treat steel the way it is needed.

The bigger the job,the wider area of expertise you need to build it.
I was under the impression that there were a) open borders for trade b) hundreds of companies capable of bridge construction in the whole of europe

furthermore, it seems to me, that hídépítő is building all the bridges anyway

and what good are they if they then turn around and subcontract everything every single time?
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Old January 24th, 2009, 09:31 PM   #1790
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Contracting local companies have more advantage than simply patriotism. IF you hire a foreign company,the payment goas abroad,and it will never come back,the company pays tax in its home country,etc. In case of a local company,ever single HUF benefits the country,and even if it costs more,it will still cost less to the country in the end than if a foreign company would be hired.

and as I said,if you are hired to do IT jobs at a company,they cant ask you to paint and do the laundry too...
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Old January 24th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #1791
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Contracting local companies have more advantage than simply patriotism. IF you hire a foreign company,the payment goas abroad,and it will never come back,the company pays tax in its home country,etc. In case of a local company,ever single HUF benefits the country,and even if it costs more,it will still cost less to the country in the end than if a foreign company would be hired.

and as I said,if you are hired to do IT jobs at a company,they cant ask you to paint and do the laundry too...
- first of all, how do you know they subcontract to local companies?
- second, only the sub-sub-sub-sub contractors know where they buy the materials from

- then, the only money that can go abroad is the profit, which if there was only 1 layer of sub-contracting instead of FIVE, would be in and of itself less than the amount of profit now
- according to the rules and regulation, profit within the eu is taxed according to where it was generated and NOT according to where the company is based. if an austrian company (or for that matter non-eu) wins, then they have to pay the exact same % tax on their profit as a hungarian company would, so there is NO difference


thats the whole point of the eu..
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Old January 24th, 2009, 10:42 PM   #1792
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No. Though they have to pay here taxes,they have to pay at home too,after their profits. They calculate this into their price. This means,you pay for twice amount of tax 3 level of subcontracting can be easily imagined(house building->wall building>equipment renting),after that,it becomes a bit strange.

Here we have 3 levels. Hídépítő->Ganz->the ones who rant. This was the same even in socialist times,and even before that. The more complex the project,the more type of experts needed.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 08:04 PM   #1793
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Here we have 3 levels. Hídépítő->Ganz->the ones who rant. This was the same even in socialist times,and even before that. The more complex the project,the more type of experts needed.
All I know is that highway sections which are financed by the EU _somehow_ end up costing roughly half a billion HUF / 1.7 million EUR less than comparable highway sections (M44).
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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:13 PM   #1794
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So far,only M0 has been financed by the EU.

Ok,correction. We will get the money for it,when M31 will be built. Until then,its our money from which it is built.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 03:13 PM   #1795
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I read more and more about M9. Have you heard about any specific plan(s) or it is only smalltalk from the involving counties.
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Old February 3rd, 2009, 06:49 PM   #1796
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I read more and more about M9. Have you heard about any specific plan(s) or it is only smalltalk from the involving counties.
its probably the least important highway, therefore only very short sections are ready today (bridge above Szekszárd and the ringroad around Kaposvár)

in the near future ('till 2014) two short sections will be completed:
one between road 51 and 54, east of the duna
one between Szekszárd and Dombóvár, west of the duna
both will be half profile


basically, there are two plans in hungary today:
one which is pretty certain, because it has to do with EU money: this plan is between 2007-2014. only these two sections of the M9 are included in this plan
the other plan is a general masterplan, which comes in many forms but it is essentially meaningless because of all the political turmoils


if you consider the M43 from Szeged to the Romanian border, and the M85 from the Austrian border to south of Sopron to be a part of the M9 (and they will be in the distant future), then you can add those too, probably by 2014 those will be completed as well
these two will be full profile


imho the M8-M4 corridor should be built to full profile before we even talk about the M9
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Old February 4th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #1797
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Old February 4th, 2009, 04:43 PM   #1798
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its gonna be fuuuugly
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Old February 4th, 2009, 06:26 PM   #1799
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First INA gas station in Hungary

Built on the M7 Motorway, at 193. km mark (From Budapest.).



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Old February 6th, 2009, 11:21 AM   #1800
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I totally agree with the highest priority for M8-M4 in full profile from border to border!!!.

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