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Old March 14th, 2009, 01:59 PM   #1881
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Actually it is M7
The last gap was the bridge over the Mura river, which is actually the border.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 02:07 PM   #1882
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Why are Hungarian motorways actually prefixed "M", while a motorway is called an "Autopalya" in Hungarian?
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Old March 14th, 2009, 03:24 PM   #1883
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afaik the "M" means "Motorway"...

(everybody uses "A" in the neighborhood, so we had to choose a different prefix... )

or maybe we have copied the russian "M" prefix...
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Old March 14th, 2009, 03:40 PM   #1884
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Actually, you can drive from Miskolc or Debrecen to Rijeka or Split without exiting the motorway.
Technically not until the M0 (M5-M1) will be a motorway in 2010-2011.

Still, what a great achievement this is!
Now let's see work continue on both ends...
I will bump one of my previous questions, unanswered.

What is the status of M49? When will construction start?
The same question about the M35 south of Debrecen.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 05:08 PM   #1885
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Technically not until the M0 (M5-M1) will be a motorway in 2010-2011.
Technically the M0 will never be a motorway...
('cause its an expressway with overall speed limit of 110km/h)
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Old March 14th, 2009, 05:54 PM   #1886
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Still, you don't have expressway classified as a different type of road in Hungary so technically it must be a motorway.

And imposing a lower-than-usual speed limit for urban highways or city rings is rather something common worldwide, not really a reason to deny a road its motorway status.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:15 PM   #1887
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afaik the "M" means "Motorway"...

(everybody uses "A" in the neighborhood, so we had to choose a different prefix... )

or maybe we have copied the russian "M" prefix...
No. AFAIK we use the word "Műút" as the M in the motorway signs...
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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:35 PM   #1888
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AFAIK "M" refers to "Motorút" (actually Motorway), but I don't remember where did I read this. Nobody uses this term...

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Still, you don't have expressway classified as a different type of road in Hungary so technically it must be a motorway.
We have expressways, called Autóút, they have this sign, and a speed limit of 110 km/h:



They either have the M prefix (like M2, M9, M70, etc.) or have just a plain main road number. They can be 2x1 (these are mostly half-profiles of future 2x2 roads), 2x2 non-divided (fortunately there are not many of this type) and 2x2 divided.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 06:53 PM   #1889
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To be exact,both Autóút and Autópálya are "gyorsforgalmi út"(fast-traffic road),the speed differences usually mean lower design speed or danger. So while it is incorrect that one can go from Debrecen to Split on "motorway",it still stands that one can use roads that allow 100+ speed.
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Old March 14th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #1890
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Why are Hungarian motorways actually prefixed "M", while a motorway is called an "Autopalya" in Hungarian?
we had that discussion. and we colcluded - it has not right answer. something like question "why tennis points go 15-30-40"
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Old March 14th, 2009, 09:40 PM   #1891
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So basically there is no disticntion between a motorway or expressway in terms of numbering? I mean, if both are signed with an M how do you know which one is which unless you already drove them?
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Old March 14th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #1892
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So basically there is no disticntion between a motorway or expressway in terms of numbering? I mean, if both are signed with an M how do you know which one is which unless you already drove them?
Simple...expressway:



and motorway sign for motorway. Does it really important to know which one you're entering? They both allow high speed.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:40 AM   #1893
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Technically the M0 will never be a motorway...
('cause its an expressway with overall speed limit of 110km/h)
Oh yes it will, when it will have specifications according to the TEM standards (and this will be the case once it is rebuilt).
And then the autout sign will be replaced with an autopalya sign. Just like on the M0 (M3-M5) section, which today is a motorway.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 01:58 AM   #1894
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Simple...expressway:



and motorway sign for motorway. Does it really important to know which one you're entering? They both allow high speed.
It is certainly

Especially if you write frequently on Forum Polskich Wieżowców
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Old March 15th, 2009, 05:49 AM   #1895
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To be exact,both Autóút and Autópálya are "gyorsforgalmi út"(fast-traffic road),the speed differences usually mean lower design speed or danger. So while it is incorrect that one can go from Debrecen to Split on "motorway",it still stands that one can use roads that allow 100+ speed.
Isn't speed limit on M0 80 km/h? Btw, Mala Kapela and Sveti Rok tunnels are still single-tubed.
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Old March 15th, 2009, 12:02 PM   #1896
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Oh yes it will, when it will have specifications according to the TEM standards (and this will be the case once it is rebuilt).
And then the autout sign will be replaced with an autopalya sign. Just like on the M0 (M3-M5) section, which today is a motorway.
have you driven on the eastern sector?

'cause its an expressway (autóút) not a motorway (autópálya) according to the sinage...

and the souther sector will remain expressway too after the widening...
(but the overall speed limit will be raised from 80km/h to 110km/h)
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Old March 15th, 2009, 12:46 PM   #1897
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Isn't speed limit on M0 80 km/h?
M0 south (M1-M5): 80 (will be raised to 110 after widening)
M0 east (M5-M3): 110
M0 north (M3-11): 80

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Btw, Mala Kapela and Sveti Rok tunnels are still single-tubed.
afaik till this summer...
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Old March 15th, 2009, 12:57 PM   #1898
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So basically there is no disticntion between a motorway or expressway in terms of numbering?
no distiction.

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I mean, if both are signed with an M how do you know which one is which unless you already drove them?
e.g. you check it on this forum...

well, the network isnt too large, so its not too hard to keep it in mind...
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Btw, Mala Kapela and Sveti Rok tunnels are still single-tubed.
True, but it's not like you have to get off the motorway and face traffic lights and at-grade intersections. There are also viaducts in quiet parts of France where motorways narrow to one lane each way because traffic volumes do not require two bridges. And that's okay, why waste money on something that's not necessary?

A one lane, but freeflowing section should be able to carry about 30,000 vehicles a day, maybe more in areas without a significant rushhour.
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M0 north (M3-11): 80
I'm not sure,but I think they were removed from that section.
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