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Old May 13th, 2015, 01:50 PM   #341
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This strengthens my belief that the NSL should be extended from Jurong East through the future Keppel area CBD to the current CBD.
Aint Circle line stage 6 supposed to do that?
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Old May 13th, 2015, 06:34 PM   #342
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Aint Circle line stage 6 supposed to do that?
Take you from the center of Singapore to the center of Kuala Lumpur?
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Old May 14th, 2015, 06:28 AM   #343
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Take you from the center of Singapore to the center of Kuala Lumpur?
If you let it .... ;D
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Old May 14th, 2015, 07:27 AM   #344
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Wouldn't it be amazing if they linked SG to HK by HSR? The entire line would essentially be funded by Chinese and be built by slaves from Islamic South Asian countries.

I support this, but I would prefer a maglev line.
what??
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Old May 15th, 2015, 11:24 PM   #345
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Aint Circle line stage 6 supposed to do that?
I'm not aware of any plans or proposals for Stage 6 of the Circle Line to interchange at Jurong East.

The problem is conveying passengers between Jurong East and the CBD. The capacity of the EWL is already challenged and will only get worse. The CRL will provide some relief, but not enough and not soon enough.
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Old May 16th, 2015, 04:29 AM   #346
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I'm not aware of any plans or proposals for Stage 6 of the Circle Line to interchange at Jurong East.

The problem is conveying passengers between Jurong East and the CBD. The capacity of the EWL is already challenged and will only get worse. The CRL will provide some relief, but not enough and not soon enough.
It's supposed to link to the current CBD (Marina Bay) and to the Keppel area (Harbourfront)
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Old May 16th, 2015, 05:01 AM   #347
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As per recent announcements, we know that the "future CBD" is at Jurong East itself. Hence, any plan to make Keppel a CBD would likely be pushed back decades, to at least 2050. Therefore, if anything, it strengthens the belief that there will be no Keppel CBD for the foreseeable future.
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Old May 18th, 2015, 09:31 AM   #348
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UK consultancy appointed for HSR project
http://www.therakyatpost.com/busines...r-hsr-project/

KUALA LUMPUR, May 14, 2015:

UK consultancy Turner & Townsend has been appointed for the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur high-speed rail (HSR) project to come up with a capital and operational cost model.

In a statement today, the consultancy said it will draw on the experience garnered from its 87 offices in 36 countries, and will be working as a sub-consultant to KPMG.

“Turner & Townsend’s appointment was a direct result of its success with other global rail projects including Crossrail, Edinburgh Tram, Qatar Rail and the Northwest Rail Link in Australia.”

The consultancy’s regional managing director Duncan Stone said: “In developing a robust cost model we mobilised the knowledge and skills of our global team of experts, who between them have worked on some of the most challenging high speed rail projects across the world.”

The 350km HSR project is expected to cut travel time between KL and Singapore to 90 minutes once fully commissioned sometime around 2022.
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Old May 22nd, 2015, 10:40 AM   #349
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Singapore and Malaysia also need to discuss deeper the regulatory, structural and operational issues, Singapore Transport Minister Lui Tuck Yew say

from CNA
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Old May 25th, 2015, 04:13 AM   #350
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News from TODAY regarding PM Abe pitching Japanese tech for the HSR. Full story in the source link below.

Do you guys think the Japanese get this project?

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Old May 25th, 2015, 04:27 AM   #351
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It doesn't matter who started it, but I think it's a pity that it's coming along political lines and allegiances, a game which I believe especially Singapore is unwilling to play along with. Choosing either Japanese or Chinese led teams will result in unfriendly or hostile relations with the other - both of which are too important to lose.

The most ideal would have had multi-national consortiums, like those for Russia's Moscow-Kazan HSR (Chinese funded and built, but running Siemens trains) or Mexico HSR (Chinese funded and built, but run and operated by SNCF). We don't have the luxury of Thailand, who can give out multiple corridors to both parties to ensure equal influence either.
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Old May 25th, 2015, 04:42 AM   #352
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Definitely true. I just hope that Singapore and Malaysia decide on that model as well because just using one country over the other, particularly between the Chinese and the Japanese, could create problems. I wonder if they could set the condition of allowing only multi-national consortiums to participate in any tender process for the project.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 01:03 AM   #353
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News from TODAY on the meeting between PM Abe and PM Najib. I will highlight the relevant parts of the article for this thread. Full story in the source link below.

Not surprised that there is no agreement on the HSR with Japan.

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However, no deal was reached on the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur high-speed rail link, for which the Japanese leader pitched his nation’s shinkansen bullet-train technology.

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Old May 27th, 2015, 01:32 AM   #354
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News from CNA on the talk between PM Najib and PM Abe regarding the HSR. Full story in the source link below.

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Malaysia's Prime Minister Najib Razak welcomes Japan's bid for the 300km high-speed rail (HSR) project linking Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:55 AM   #355
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Has this been ever mentioned in this thread?

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French also keen on developing the KL-Singapore High Speed Rail project – TGV, anyone?

Everyone wants in, it seems. Japan would like to see its Shinkansen bullet trains being employed in the KL-Singapore High Speed Rail project, and so do the Chinese with its own system, but they’re not the only ones with an eye on that spot.

France has also voiced its keeness to help develop the proposed 330 km-long line – according to news reports, Singapore transport minister Lui Tuck Yew said last week that French companies have indicated their interest in having Train à Grande Vitesse (TGV) operating on the planned high-speed rail project between Singapore and Malaysia..... to read more click here
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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:16 AM   #356
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What if they decided to based the technology on either Chinese , Japan and France ,but the bodyworks is to be built by someone else.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 05:18 AM   #357
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In an interview with the Nikkei newspaper, the Malaysian PM said that low cost was not the sole criteria for selection, but rather the ability to keep costs from ballooning over the period of construction, an effect often seen with lowball bidders.
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Old June 20th, 2015, 06:08 AM   #358
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Malaysia's Land Public Transport Commission CEO 'misquoted' on High Speed Rail terminus

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Singapore's Ministry of Transport earlier said it was "surprised" that Malaysia's Land Public Transport Commission had said in an interview that it preferred to terminate the upcoming high-speed rail terminus in JB. However, the commission says its CEO was misquoted.

SINGAPORE: Malaysia's Land Public Transport Commission (SPAD) late Friday (Jun 19) said that its CEO was misquoted in an interview pubished by a Malaysian business paper, that it preferred to terminate the upcoming high-speed rail (HSR) terminus at the two nations' existing CIQ (customs, immigration and quarantine) complex in Johor Bahru.

In an interview with The Edge Malaysia published on Monday, SPAD's CEO Mohd Nur Ismal Mohd Kamal was asked to elaborate on how the final station on Singapore's end is "an issue".

"We would prefer to terminate the line at the existing CIQ. However, Singapore wants it to terminate in Jurong East and understandably so," he said. "Just as we want to develop Bandar Malaysia, they want to use the HSR to drive development in Jurong East.

"From our perspective, by terminating it at the CIQ, the entire project will be within our borders and we will have more control of it. This will be closer to Orchard Road than Jurong East," The Edge quoted him as saying. "But of course, we have to weigh Singapore's economic and commercial considerations as well to come to an agreement."

However, SPAD said that he was "regretably misquoted", and instead said: "We would have preferred to terminate the line at the CBD area. This will be closer to Orchard Road than Jurong East. However this is a joint project for the benefit of both countries and hence there has to be give and take. For example, if we had wanted to terminate (sic) at the CIQ, the entire project will be within our borders and we will have more control. But this would not have been optimal and neither country would have benefited as much."

In May, leaders of Singapore and Malaysia announced that the HSR terminus in Singapore will be located at Jurong East. Mr Syed Hamid Albar, SPAD chairman said to Channel NewsAsia: "We carry out decisions of our governments as reflected in the decisions of both PMs. No one can change that."

Singapore's Ministry of Transport (MOT) had earlier released a statement stating it was "surprised" at the initial comment that indicated preference for the HSR terminus to be at Johor Bahru's CIQ complex.

"Our understanding is that Malaysia views the commercial premise of the Kuala Lumpur-Singapore HSR project, and with which we agree, as being based on a direct connection between the two city centres. Terminating the HSR in Johor Bahru will not achieve this objective," said MOT's spokesperson.

HSR OPERATING MODEL IN DISCUSSION

MOT said both Singapore and Malaysia are in discussion on the HSR's commercial and operating models. Singapore has proposed that the domestic transit HSR services, which stop at six stations in Malaysia, be operated separately from express non-stop services between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

"This will give Malaysia autonomy over the domestic transit services to serve Malaysia's domestic needs and benefit Malaysia," said the transport ministry.

Mr Nur Ismal had told The Edge: "Because the additional stations will benefit Malaysia more, Singapore is not so keen on the transit line. However, just as we must take its economic and commercial considerations into account, it must also take care of us. There has to be give and take so that both parties can benefit."

He added that the cost of the six stations is "very small", less than 10 per cent of the entire HSR project.

NO AGREEMENT ON HIGH BRIDGE ACROSS SINGAPORE, JB: MOT

As for the Johor Bahru-Singapore Rapid Transit System Link, MOT said Malaysia has not confirmed its terminus location. Singapore's terminus will be located at Woodlands North station on the upcoming Thomson-East Coast MRT line.

MOT added that both countries will only be able to determine the type and alignment of the crossing after both terminus locations are confirmed.

"We have yet to receive official confirmation of the location of Malaysia’s RTS terminus in Johor Bahru. As such, contrary to what was said in the Malaysian media by Johor State Exco for Public Works, Rural and Regional Development Committee Chairman Datuk Ir. Haji Hasni bin Haji Mohammad, there is no agreement with Malaysia that the crossing will be a high bridge," said MOT
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Old June 21st, 2015, 02:20 AM   #359
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Like to see if there was any patronage modelling as i bet it would show that very few people will get of in jurong east and then catch the mrt to where all the action is near the cbd. I cant see jurong east overtaking the current cbd anytime soon, especially as you have 100's of years infarstructure there and have focussed majority of tourist and hotel infrastructure there.
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Old June 22nd, 2015, 09:48 AM   #360
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I think the best place to terminate HSR would be at Changi. They should take the line through SG, under CBD, and end it at Changi.

This would facilitate Changi's growth and allow easier connection to SG city. We may also see the budget terminal moving to JB in return for higher class airlines.
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