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Old April 27th, 2013, 04:23 PM   #521
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Building costs are 323,3 Millionen Euro, additional costs for replanning 256,6 Million Euro, cost of financing and building for the commercial area 142,3 Million Euro and costs for preliminary planning and delay 66,8 Million Euro.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 06:21 PM   #522
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omg , epic fail pre-calculation
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Old April 28th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #523
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It seems the most dangerous thing with big projects is if the initial planning is bad and as a consequence re-planning during construction in a larger extend has to be conducted. Alternatively also good planning does not help if the customer is changing the requirements in the middle of ongoing construction. It also often ends in tears if the contractors give in to architects against better knowledge on construction details. In any of these cases the costs might explode to the multiple of the initial estimation.

I am not sure what's currently going wrong in Germany but hopefully authorities learn their lessons for the next time.
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Old May 2nd, 2013, 10:57 AM   #524
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I am not sure what's currently going wrong in Germany but hopefully authorities learn their lessons for the next time.
The longer the construction takes, the bigger the financial scandals, the longer the EP stays in the news and increases its name recognition. All marketing

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Old May 4th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #525
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I just found a picture how this place looked like in 1875. The church-like building is exactly same location as the EP

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I quite like that church-like building as you call it. Point of interest, the ships in the photo do not date from 1875, more like circa 1900 I would guess.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #526
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maybe. The date 1885 is about the Kaiserspeicher-building, which was compleated that year


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Old May 10th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #527
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I am surprised that such a scandal can exist in Germany, are we in a banana republic ?

Germans are working less and less and also like striking, do they have the french virus ?

Bribes, corruption, embezzlements, I thought that did not exist in Germany.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 06:33 PM   #528
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Of course all this exist in germany as well, but there is still a difference to a "banana republic".
When the construction company complained about the danger of a maybe instable roof architecture the construction in a banana republic would not have been stopped to find a solution, but continued in an attempt not to loose ones face and finish the prestige project in time and would only be stopped, when everyone realises some strange cracks in the steel-concrete or the construction collapes, or wents up in flames ...
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Old May 13th, 2013, 10:32 PM   #529
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They should have just torn down the brick section and started from scratch... Ruins it.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 01:23 PM   #530
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^ Don't think so, it's a great Hanseatic amendment and gives the unique Hamburg harbour flair to it.


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Old May 15th, 2013, 02:50 PM   #531
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I am surprised that such a scandal can exist in Germany, are we in a banana republic ?
Australia is even a much bigger banana republic. Look details on the Sydney Opera House:
"construction began in March 1959. ...was formally completed in 1973, having cost $102 million. ... The original cost estimate in 1957 was $7 million." (wiki)

Both are not commieblocks!


Why a scandal, btw?????
Elbphilharmonie will cost maybe 800 million euros, which would make 80 million a year should it be build within 10 years. So what? Just peanuts!
Hamburg's turnover of the tourism industry exceeded 10 billion euros last year, double that of 2007. Taking 10% VAT as average (between 5 and 19%) only that makes 1 billion a year.
Inside the object there is also a ****+ 240 rooms' hotel and 35 apartments, up to 10 million euros one. For rent, sale.

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Old May 15th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #532
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They should have just torn down the brick section and started from scratch... Ruins it.
There are thousands boring glass-only skyscrapers everywhere. Who likes them? Only boring people, I'd claim

That huge brick-glass combination is as well intriguing as unique.
Let's wait till it's finished, including illumination, cranes, before we make any judgement.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #533
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Old June 8th, 2013, 12:56 PM   #535
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Somehow those church towers give a much better skyline then any skyscraper or modern building( >1850ish) can give.
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Old June 8th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #536
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luckily this skyline is "protected".
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Old June 9th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #537
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Somehow those church towers give a much better skyline then any skyscraper or modern building( >1850ish) can give.
why has hamburg no skyscrapers like frankfurt ? HAMBURG is perhaps a poor city when muenchen and frankfurt are rich.
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why has hamburg no skyscrapers like frankfurt ? HAMBURG is perhaps a poor city when muenchen and frankfurt are rich.
This is better then any Skyline.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #539
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why has hamburg no skyscrapers like frankfurt ? HAMBURG is perhaps a poor city when muenchen and frankfurt are rich.
Chinese in Shanghai must be very rich having 1000+ skyscrapers in their city.
That's a sign of stupidity, ugliness, poverty, wisdom, beauty, wealth? They earn round 500€ monthly, people in Hamburg 4000.
Btw, after a survey among European business people, the most ugly city in Europe seems to be Warsaw, Poland.
Agree, a terrible city indeed. So, just to underline this fact, they still rise more skyscrapers there, one by one.
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Old June 9th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #540
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why has hamburg no skyscrapers like frankfurt ? .
There is actually no need nor gain for Hamburg by rising some random skyscrapers.
It would only destroy the unique and awesome historical skyline shape of chushes, spires,
town halls and monuments in the center and Hamburgs shape would lose its "magic"


entering Hamburg by ferry is something special (and I enetred a lot "skyscrapercities" by ferry)

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So highrises are only allowed to be get build outiside the city center.
But who would rise a skyscraper outside the center far awy from all city-photos in Germany, if you are allowed to build them in Frankfurt in the center?

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