CBD > Upper West Side > 4 towers / Resi / 150m

[silvermb]

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this will be split from the Age site as we now have a semi-proposal and demolition of the chimney is about to commence, construction there after?



archi/shumway

Originally Posted by Shumway

I was giving bad information last week... There is 20 stories of residential in the blue tower on Spencer Street, not the 20 story building is residential like I was saying last week. So it's:

Spencer St -- 54 levels -- Mixed Use (Office and 20 stories of Residential)
Lonsdale St -- 40 levels -- Office
Lonsdale St -- 20 levels -- Office

if both larger towers tip over 200m, excellent result. i guess the final design and quality of finishes cant be too far off being lodged/viewed on the forum?

[Andrewwise]

I like it. Very modern New Yorkish.

Now if we can just get a 250 - 300m on the Age Site Spencer St. will be smokin.

[Qantas743]

Whats that smaller building connected to the blue building's right?

[Bronteboy]

Originally Posted by Qantas743

Whats that smaller building connected to the blue building's right?

The smaller building to the right of the blue tower, and the
campus on stilts, are the two elements that don't quite make sense on the renders we've seen thus far: and they
don't appear on the prelim sketches posted by Archi.

One can understand the architects and developers seeking a full range of rental market options: full office, campus office and resi - but I still hope the stilted campus
building and the add-on to the blue tower get some attention.

The campus building particularly looks awkward and detracts from the big tower.

I just don't think this quarter of the CBD lends itself to
a separate Docklands-type campus building anyway. The floorplates of the
copper tower are big enough to accomodate open-style levels. I hope they incorporate it into that, giving an uninterrupted view of a taller and totally awesome main tower.

And yeah, put the add-on to the blue tower on top of that one too. Okay?

[dockman]

I spoke to Peddle Thorpe yesterday, they say they've been working on this for ages, and the exact heights and allocations of office, resi, etc, haven't been finalised. Which is normal. It looks like too the site will be developed in stages ie. one building, then another, etc. You don't expect a block to go up over night

[Aussie Steve]

We all need to remember that no planning permit has been issed for this site, so all this discussion is speculation at the moment.

[dockman]

true, but the only complaint will be ESD, as that huge office is completely orientated in the wrong way for that

[A r c h i]

I'm not so sure. 181 William St and SX are orientated the same and still achieve 5 and 4.5 stars respectively (although 181W is surrounded by other towers) which is similar to what Soldis are trying to achieve. I'd say the eastern and western facades would have some sort of screen.

[tayser]

Southern Cross 1 anyone?

[CULWULLA]

^but thats at eastern end of city. the western end with connection with Docklands is a whole new ballgame. mcc/doi may want a dif approach. who knows.

[tayser]

And the East end has far tougher restrictions - namely heritage-related - than the West end and you'd be pushing shit up hill to successfully argue that SX1 "upsets the cityscape" (yes taking into account the vista from Parliament, the streetscape in the heritage areas immediately to the east and from Bourke St mall), so do you have a point to your argument, or is this just another "I can post my opinion about anything even though I'm looking more and more the fool" post by CULWULLA?

[Tyson]

Archibomber could easily use that block render of Melbourne he has to show us comparable views of the city from different angles with and without this building in it. If he was so inclined to..... please?

IMO i don't think the north-south orientation will an issue for anything other than green and energy ratings.

[wowsim]

How in the world would it upset the cityscape? Running north south, as it is, it is going to look absolutely hawt from the Docklands....Very New York.

Its not going unnoticed that you only have negative things to say about this development Cul....Maybe people would take you more seriously if you didn't pretend every and any dog box that goes up in Sydney is Australia's best...

[redbaron_012]

Large slab sided buildings can look OK.....The Hilton in Sydney has come up well since its refurb.....and buildings like The UN in New York show a landmark doesn't have to be the tallest.

[OSJ]

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

I could of told you that about the large towers orientation. is facing wrong way. way to large to run north/south. should be turned east/west at southern end of site.

Actually you are completely wrong on this one, and a closer look suggests that have been quite deliberate in their orientation.

Summer sun, which is the killer part, sets south of due west, whereas winter sun sets north of due west - this effect getting stronger the further from the equator you are. If you look at the first two images in the sequence above, you'll see that much of the setting and afternoon summer sun will not hit the copper tower, as it will be shaded by the blue one.

Further to this, the copper tower looks even in these basic renders as though the copper is a screen of some sort (look at the transparency at the top). If perforated or louvred correctly, this could allow for good summer shading whilst allowing good solar access during winter. Even if it wasn't such a sophisticated system, such screening would provide a good balance between the needs of ESD and locating the building to maximise the views towards docklands. Such screening has been used to good effect at fed square on west facing windows - see Transport below.


So next time, before making negative sweeping judgements, you should take a closer look.

[Grollo]

MCC and the State Government are desperate to get this site cleaned up and have something built on it so they will bend over backwards to approve any application as fast as they can. Anything is better than what is on the site at the moment.

Also there is no staged DA applications in Victoria, you apply for a planning permit and then it is approved or refused, there are no stages.

This will be approved in the same way as FWP, Royal Domain Tower, QV, Southern Cross, the Hilton Redevelopment and Eureka.

Legeslation, planning controls, pesky objectors and local councils don't stand a chance when the Project of State Signficance steamroller gets rolling and the minister of planning is at the wheel :-)

[Grollo]

Also I didn't know that Deutsche Bank Place and Westpac Towers in Sydney were orientated the wrong way.

[Tyson]

It kinda looks to me like it must be quite deliberate too OSJ. The renders appear to show the copper tower rotated clockwise slightly which would bring it's broad side around closer to due west and it's thinner side closer to due north.

Also it's broader side doesn't appear to be quite as wide as some of the angles make it appear.

[wowsim]

Originally Posted by Grollo

Legeslation, planning controls, pesky objectors and local councils don't stand a chance when the Project of State Signficance steamroller gets rolling and the minister of planning is at the wheel :-)

Nice metaphor

[tayser]

Originally Posted by Tyson

It kinda looks to me like it must be quite deliberate too OSJ. The renders appear to show the copper tower rotated clockwise slightly which would bring it's broad side around closer to due west and it's thinner side closer to due north.

Also it's broader side doesn't appear to be quite as wide as some of the angles make it appear.

end result: wicked view up King Street in the context of 525C, 530C, 600B and this baby .

which raises another question.... how close will it get to King St?





(pics from 2003 no less!)