Bering Strait Tunnel

[nagara373]

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[nagara373]

US and Canada should be converted from 4 ft 8 1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge to 5 ft 6 in (1,676 mm) Indian broad gauge and 25kV AC electrification before they have their high-speed trains, necessary.

Afghan networks should be 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) Indian broad gauge with very large loading gauge and long curve radii not 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in) standard gauge for long-distance lines (freight lines and high-speed lines) because breaks-of-gauge in the mountainous area (southern Afghanistan) will restrict capacity and Afghan notworks should be in the Russia-India rail links.


1. Proposal for Afghanistan

Detail of Afghan high-speed/freight rail network:
Track gauge: 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) Indian broad gauge (1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) Russian gauge on Hayratan - Mazar-i-Sharif)
Number of tracks: at least 2
Electrification system: 25kV AC overhead lines
Minimum radius: 7,400m
Maximum gradient: 3.5% (1.2% on Hayratan - Mazar-i-Sharif)
Loading gauge: 4,240mm wide and 6,150mm high
Platform height: 200mm (8 inches)
Minimum platform length: 1,067m (3,500ft)
Sleeper type: concrete
Rail profile: 75kg/m or 155lb/yd
Line 1: Chaman - Kandahar - Herat - Serhetabat
Line 2: Khyber Pass - Jalalabad - Kabul - Kandahar
Line 3: Herat - Mazar-i-Sharif
Line 4: Kabul - Kunduz - Sherkhan Bandar
Line 5: Mazar-i-Sharif - Kunduz
Line 6: Kabul - Mazar-i-Sharif (tunnel route)
Line 7: Kunduz - eastern Tajikistan
Right-/ left hand running: Right-hand running

Breaks-of-gauge points:
Serhetabat (Turkmenistan): 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) / 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in)
Towraghondi: 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) / 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) (Only for the terminal of the 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) line)
Mazar-i-Sharif: 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) / 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in)
Sherkhan Bandar: 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) / 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in)
Herat: 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) / 1,435 mm (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in)


2. Proposal for North America

Detail of Bering Strait Tunnel (TKM-World Link) network:
Track gauge: 1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) Russian gauge, 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) Indian broad gauge and 1,829 mm (6 ft)
Number of tracks: at least 2
Electrification system: 25kV AC overhead lines
Minimum radius: 7,400m
Maximum gradient: 2% (Russian side), 3.5% (American side)
Loading gauge: 4,240mm wide and 6,150mm high
Platform height: 200mm (8 inches)
Minimum platform length: 1,067m (3,500ft)
Sleeper type: concrete
Rail profile: 75kg/m or 155lb/yd
Line 1: Yakutsk - (Tunnel) - Fair Banks - Fort Nelson
Line 2: Komsolsk-on-Amur - Okhotsk - Magadan - (Tunnel)
Line 3: Norilsk - (Tunnel)
Line 4: Edmonton - Calgary - Shelby - Salt Lake City
Line 5: Krasnoyarsk - Yakutsk
Right-/ left hand running: Right-hand running

Detail of proposed North American rail network (for USA and Canada):
Track gauge: 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) Indian broad gauge
Number of tracks: at least 2
Electrification system: 25kV AC overhead lines
Loading gauge: 4,100mm wide and 6,150mm high
Platform height: 200mm (8 inches)
Minimum platform length: 915m (3,000ft)
Sleeper type: concrete
Right-/ left hand running: Right-hand running


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[CrazyDave]

With the Worlds economy being what it is; I don't believe that this project will get underway for another 20 years. I would love to see it happen but the financing it's there.

[DiscoZimpy]

I doubt it would benefit Yellowknife, maybe you ment Whitehorse which is on the Alcan Highway.

[Scba]

Something of interest...there's an idea bubbling around Alaska of building a highway (road) to Nome.

[mgk920]

Don't forget that the Channel Tunnel was drilled though chalk marl with tunnel boring machines, not a submersed tube. How possible would it be to use TBMs to drill a Bering Strait tunnel?

Mike

[jomateix]

Tectonically is a quite secure area:


An underwater tunnel seems OK, but don't forget that some artificial islands should be made for the air sipply and emergency exit (BTW, exit to where? A frozen island in the middle of nowhere?).

Also, the tunnel blocks can be used in ALL the route from Anchorage to Magadan, just to avoid the problems with the climate. It shoul be put over columns like the Tibet rail line for avoiding permafrost problems.

[gramercy]

Originally Posted by jomateix

Tectonically is a quite secure area:


An underwater tunnel seems OK, but don't forget that some artificial islands should be made for the air sipply and emergency exit (BTW, exit to where? A frozen island in the middle of nowhere?).

presumably there would be emergency supplies stored there

[nagara373]

Proposed rail network:
Track gauge: 1676mm
Electrification: 25kV AC
Loading gauge: 4.1m wide and 6.15m (7m) high and 30m long
Platform height: 200mm above rail
Minimum platform length: 1067m
Minimum crossing loop length: 1500m
Sleeper type: Concrete
Rail profile: 155lb/yd or 75kg/m

Breaks of gauge 1676mm/1520mm:
Yakutsk (Russia)
Okhotsk (Russia)
Norilsk (Russia)

USA and Canada should be converted from 1435mm to 1676mm, necessary.

*Originally proposed as a 1829mm track.

[Atmosphere]

So, it's all in the news here that the project has been approved!

[Henrique Caetano]

Originally Posted by nagara373

USA and Canada should be converted from 1435mm to 1676mm, necessary.

Why?

[437.001]

Because he says so.

[Nima-Farid]

Shipping by sea is cheaper than rail, and cheaper than trucks by far. A rail connection doesn't make any economic sense, a highway makes even less sense. There's zero demand for passenger traffic along the route, and as I've stated, freight costs are lower by sea, so a rail link is out also.

There may be lots of tourists. For example I love to explore far east russia and far north America and Canada.

Proposal for Afghanistan

Detail of Afghan high-speed/freight rail network:
Track gauge: 1,676 mm (5 ft 6 in) Indian broad gauge (1,520 mm (4 ft 11 5⁄6 in) Russian gauge on Hayratan - Mazar-i-Sharif)

I have to tell the first railway line of Afghanistan from Taybad (IR) to Harat (U/C) will use the standard 1400 mm (~) tracks.

[trainrover]

Originally Posted by jomateix

Tectonically is a quite secure area:

Nonsense, plus your pegging that claim to some picture indicating tetonic plates is unlcear (e.g., the New Madrid Seismic Zone, which geologists say has been America's most troublesome, and the Strait make up the same plate).

[jomateix]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Nonsense, plus your pegging that claim to some picture indicating tetonic plates is unlcear (e.g., the New Madrid Seismic Zone, which geologists say has been America's most troublesome, and the Strait make up the same plate).

Mmm, ok, of course there are hot spots and other features. So here I put:

First, we should consider the SIZE of Alaska:



Volcanoes (official source):



Earthquakes (official source):



And finally (official source too) the one that looks like "hey, yes, Alaska is pretty dangerous, but only the southern-aleutian area!":



Of course we should remember that we don't listen in the news about ALL earthquakes happening there just because nearly nobody lives in. For what these maps show the only problem of a tunnel there is eartquake propagation, not epicenter. Seems more secure than all Tokyo subway to me, and they aren't going to put a nuclear power plant, so is ok. Plus, the underwater area seems "secure" (but who knows if enough studies have been done of this area? Probably yes because was a border of two superpowers in the cold war, but we should remember that the password for half USA nukes was "00000000" for almost 10 years... ).

I forgot, there's a dangerous hazard in Alaska:

[nagara373]

Originally Posted by Nima-Farid

There may be lots of tourists. For example I love to explore far east russia and far north America and Canada.


I have to tell the first railway line of Afghanistan from Taybad (IR) to Harat (U/C) will use the standard 1400 mm (~) tracks.

Unfortunately, Afghanistan has made the opposite than you proposed, the first railway line of Afghanistan is from Hayratan to Mazar-i-Sharif, 1520mm gauge, then railway network link among Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Kabul and Mazar-i-Sharif will use 1676mm gauge, due to Iranian border security reason. There may be lots of tourists and goods, for example, from Russia/Kazakhstan/Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan to Pakistan/India, or reverse.

1. Afghan network from Russia to India
2. Bering Strait Tunnel from Russia to North America

In addition, Iran should release eastern part and China should release northern- and western parts.
(then convert from 1435mm to 1524mm in these area)

[AndreiB]

Surely this topic is about anything else rather than who should convert to what gauge? The days of the gauge war are long gone i'm afraid.

[fbeavis]

A pipeline between Russia and Alaska? In about 1000 years maybe

[Ocean Railroader]

I've been on the Alaska Railroad before and right now they are working on a building a 80 mile railroad line extension from Fairbanks Alaska towards Canada but as of now there is nothing offical to extend the railroad line 1200 miles to the rail system in Canada.

[bluemeansgo]

Originally Posted by nagara373

US and Canada should be converted from 4 ft 8 1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge to 5 ft 6 in (1,676 mm) Indian broad gauge and 25kV AC electrification before they have their high-speed trains, necessary.

It will likely end up being dual-gauge in Eastern Russia... if there's to be a change at all.

Here's why:

Adding another rail to the inside of Indian Gauge (1676mm) to add Standard gauge capability is a WHOLE lot easier than adding to the outside of Standard Gauge rail. When you increase the width of tracks you have to think about tunnel size, distance between parallel tracks, wider ballasts, etc.

Indian gauge is also, plain and simply, more expensive to construct. Sorry to disappoint you.