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Old August 4th, 2006, 02:58 PM   #1
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RUSSIA | Railways

here is currently show of new Russian rolling stock in SPb.

Here is few photos from the show taken by Tolya from Transport in Russia forum.

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maps of upgrading of lines.
SPb - Moscow: 3:55, 200kmph, ER200, 2006
SPb - Moscow: 3:41, 250kmph, RUS 250/330, 2009
SPb - Moscow: perspective (separate HSR line), 330kmph (350kmph), RUS 250/330
SPb - Helsinki: 3:20, Pendolino (but afaik not finally decided), 2009
Moscow - Lower Novgorod: 3:20, 160kmph, RUS 250/330 (dual-system), 2010
Mosocw - Kazan': 10:30, 140kmph, EP10, 2006
Mosocw - Minsk: 7:30, 140kmph, EP10, 2006
Mosocw - Adler (Sochi): 140kmph, EP10, 2008
Mosocw - Kiev: 140kmph, EP10, 2006


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Two sectional freight electric (dc) loco 2ES4K
For replacement of old VL10 and VL11.
Designed speed: 120kmph
Hour-long regime: 50kmph
Power of hour-long regime: at least 6200 kWt
full info (in russian)
http://b.foto.radikal.ru/0608/c54554d1dfb7.jpg






Two sectional freight electric (ac) loco 2ES5K with booster section, aka Ermak
Design for using with trains in 6000-6500 tones in Siberia and Far East.
Designed speed: 110kmph
Hour-long regime: 49.9kmph
Power of hour-long regime: 10000 kWt
full info (in russian)
http://b.foto.radikal.ru/0608/1c93d6e87aa7.jpg






Two sectional main line diesel loco 2TE25A, aka Vityaz [Knight]
Designed speed: 120kmph
full info (in russian)
http://foto.radikal.ru/f.aspx?b060868732bd17e68jpg






Two sectional main line diesel loco 2TE25K, aka Peresvet





Shunting diesel loco TEM18DM
Power: 882,3 kWt
full info (in russian)
http://b.foto.radikal.ru/0608/0602c2d1d215.jpg




Passenger electric (ac) loco EP1M
Designed speed: 140kmph
full info (in russian)
http://d.foto.radikal.ru/0608/bfd2962d44fb.jpg







Passenger electric (dual system) loco EP10
Designed speed: 160kmph
full info (in russian)
http://d.foto.radikal.ru/0608/09e5c8bba55e.jpg







Passenger electric (dc) loco EP2K and EP2A
Designed speed: 160kmph
full info (in russian)
http://d.foto.radikal.ru/0608/f27e7830c410.jpg






New ED4 EMU modification - ED4MKM
For suburban expresses and intercity service. May be even usual suburban local train (with different interior of course)
Designed speed: 130kmph (160kmph may be in future)
full info (in russian)
http://d.foto.radikal.ru/0608/acec0d2cc94c.jpg




3rd class

2nd class

1st class


RUS 250/330 (Velaro Rus)
Yet full scale model
will be dual-system and dc versions
Original designed speed: 250kmph
full info (in russian)
http://d.foto.radikal.ru/0608/31e871a528f3.jpg





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Old August 4th, 2006, 03:09 PM   #2
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First of all ... Why in that map that shows the railway network Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania is still like a part of Russia (just like Belarus, Ukraine)???

Then ... Those trains are just visually new ... the technology is the same as before 20 years (to my mind) ...

And finaly ... something new from the most popular and the best Railway coach factory in the Soviet union (which built the first high speed train in Soviet union - ER200) - Riga

DR1B ... As I remember Belarus has the first train and has ordered some more
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Old August 4th, 2006, 03:10 PM   #3
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that is nice, they will have new trains.
but take a look a this map. lol


there are all capitals of the neighburs states where these trains should run, except of Warsaw. it's sorrowful and sad and a bit ridiculously... Putin had always some kind of problem with Poland.
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Old August 4th, 2006, 03:35 PM   #4
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more like you have kind of problem with russia. this map was designed dozens of years ago in soviet times. no plans for balts of course. plans for belarus and ukraine there for well known reason i think. berlin simply is main spot on this line outside of the map.

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these are not 20 years old technologies. that times there was no computers and so much electronics in trains..
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I didn't mean those tv etc in the passenger coaches ... but ok ... don't know exatcly what's the techonologies in those (european design look-a-like) locomotives ...

I have no problems with russia, just with some russians here in latvia who have the idea that "Latvia belongs to Russia" ... and ok if they don't have the money to make a new map then let them use an old map
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it's not about money. it's about old corporate map. they don't need new.
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I didn't mean those tv etc in the passenger coaches ... but ok ... don't know exatcly what's the techonologies in those (european design look-a-like) locomotives ...
i don't mean those tv etc in the passenger coaches, but computers and tones of other electronics in loco control.
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ok ok ... I haven't seen the new loco cockpits ... just since the max speed of the trains is still "only" 120 - 130 km/h thought that not much has changed ...
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DR1B ... As I remember Belarus has the first train and has ordered some more
well. we have new DMUs in russia as well.
here is from 90's (no dmu project in 00's)

RA-1 (81-730)
http://www.tmholding.ru/main/catalog...3980/4046/4064

RA-1 (81-731)
http://www.tmholding.ru/main/catalog...3980/4046/4062

RA-B (81-731.25)
http://www.tmholding.ru/main/catalog...3980/4046/4062

RA-2 (81-750)
http://www.tmholding.ru/main/catalog...3980/4046/4109
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ok ok ... I haven't seen the new loco cockpits ... just since the max speed of the trains is still "only" 120 - 130 km/h thought that not much has changed ...
locos of course faster. as of suburban train - we have average distance between station in 3km in moscow and spb networks and up to 7km in the rest of russia. so there is no need for trains with fast acceleration. of course EMUs for 160kmph are in plans. but you see the problem. as i heard there is dilema with 160kmph EMUs over the world. Or you have designed speed in 120kmph - very stable, or 160kmph very unstable - these are not able to drive at full speed long time.
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more like you have kind of problem with russia. this map was designed dozens of years ago in soviet times. no plans for balts of course.
Dangerous generalisation. I'd rather say that our governments have problems with each other. If you look closer on the map ypu can see Baltic states and the Ukraine in slightly different colour. The unity of russian rail tracks and post-soviet countries I could explain with the same rail gauge (1525 mm) oppposed to european one (1435 mm). Yet it would be nice to place Warsaw on map BTW Nice trains!
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These trains look really nice, specially the last one (not the TGV).
Are all them made in Russia?
How many and which are the high speed lines in Russia?
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These trains look really nice, specially the last one (not the TGV).
Are all them made in Russia?
The Velaro Rus high-speed train is based on one of the German ICE models. All the rest, except for the Latvian DR1B, are made in Russia.
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I don't like the looks of those Russian loco's, their faces are to long. I think that they tried to design something modern, they failed. I only like that shunting diesel loco, it's classic!
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not at all. designs are very successful.

and can you explain - "too long faces"?
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isnt that just a rebadged ICE?
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not at all. designs are very successful.

and can you explain - "too long faces"?
The front ends look to long somehow, like eggs. Exept for EP10, that has a more traditional design. The 2TE25K looks sad, like it's going to cry. With the 2ES4K they have tried to copy German designed loco's like the Bombadier Traxx and the Siemens ES64F4 (they are simple but look good). With the others they tried to make very square locos look more round, wich doesn't work IMO. And maybe it has something to do that I miss the buffers on these trains, again exept for the EP10.

I like the shunter and the EP10, the more traditional looking trains.
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Dangerous generalisation. I'd rather say that our governments have problems with each other.
Well, your government has a problem with everybody and everything, so actually it's pretty ridiculous to bash Russia on this.
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I think you one of those who does not accept anything modern.
Indeed EP10 looks outdated, while all other looks very modern and very successful.
No similarity between 2ES4K and Bombadier Traxx and the Siemens ES64F4 at all... No egg effect as well. No even long faces.
I think you mean high faces. But i think it's result of higher platforms in Russia.
Also. Powerful faces looks definitely better for powerful locos.
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Nice trains, but some of them look old from the outside...

Russian Velaro is similar to Spanish Velaro, by Siemens.
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