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Old August 21st, 2014, 10:02 AM   #2021
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... four-unit 4ES5 electric locomotive ... 13.12MW unit...
Need more detail to understand here.

1) Is each unit a BB or a CC diagram ? Picture is not very clear...

2) is the 13.12 MW power for each unit or for the entire set ?

- if it is for the entire set, it represents only 3.3 MW per BB or CC unit,
which is not much : current standard is much more around 5 or 6 MW
- if it's for each BB or CC unit, then it's really a lot, and I think 4 units like
that coupled together would develop a tractive effort beyond the strength
of the couplers...

So what's the truth ?

Othewise, nice lashup, makes me remember of the old EMD ABBA sets (F3s,
F7s, etc) of the american post-WW2 period.
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Old August 21st, 2014, 05:21 PM   #2022
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"Lastochka" (Siemens Desiro rus) train. Moscow - Nizhny Novgorod.







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Why suburban trains on a long distance route? The seating is horrible.
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Old August 22nd, 2014, 09:59 AM   #2023
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Why suburban trains on a long distance route? The seating is horrible.
Not as horrible as you might think. The russian loading gauge is very
generous, so this 3+2 seating arrangement remains perfectly bearable. In
fact, for suburban traffic, many russian trains have 3+3 seating.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:19 PM   #2024
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From Global Rail News:

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Lastochka train trialled in Siberia
27 AUG, 2014

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Russia’s Lastochka train has completed a test run between Barnaul and Novosibirsk in the West Siberian Plain – the first time the EMU has travelled east of the Urals.

The run, which was timed to coincide with the 100th anniversary if the Novonikolayevsk – Barnaul railway line, was designed to assess the feasibility of operating a regular electric train service on the line.

More than 300 passengers boarded the demonstration train from Barnaul on August 18
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 09:38 AM   #2025
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Need more detail to understand here.

1) Is each unit a BB or a CC diagram ? Picture is not very clear...

2) is the 13.12 MW power for each unit or for the entire set ?

- if it is for the entire set, it represents only 3.3 MW per BB or CC unit,
which is not much : current standard is much more around 5 or 6 MW
- if it's for each BB or CC unit, then it's really a lot, and I think 4 units like
that coupled together would develop a tractive effort beyond the strength
of the couplers...

So what's the truth ?
It's B-B, 4 axles per unit. 13MW for the whole set. This is a specialized locomotive for a few lines where train weight is limited more by traction than power so there are 16 working axles on this loco. It could've been done with less if modern induction motors and electronics were used but this is a low-tech machine. It is needed to avoid the need for pushing units and splitting heavy trains on mountain sections of Siberian and Far Eastern railroads.
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Old September 2nd, 2014, 06:35 PM   #2026
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Yep, 3ES10 (built in collaboration with Siemens) handles 13MW with 3 BB units.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 05:20 PM   #2027
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The reasoning beyond expansion of Berlin service is simple: the current service to Berlin aren't competitive with anything, except for aerophobes and railfap... I mean people who enjoys train ride as separate experience and not just as mean of transit. The new service with variable gauge and greater Vmax and tilting would cut travel times, so train will again become a practical mean of getting from A to B.
Well, I think that all those trains into Europe were always a bad idea in the sense that the distance is just too big, which makes it impossible for those trains to compete with airplanes, which would in turn result in a tiny number of passengers and therefore a high deficit. And I'm a railfan ...

The pricing was also always terrible. One single absurdly high fare. I once tryed to use the train Basel-Moscow, I wanted to use the sleeper for Basel-Poznan. But the price was absurd, something like 300 euros or maybe more ... so Instead I went with Deutsche Bahn where I bought Basel-Dresden for 50 euros, maybe less I don't remember, and took a separate train Dresden-Wroclaw to get to my final destination ... why did they prefer to transport an empty bed for zero euros instead of me for 50 euros? I won't pay 300+, no way.

Maybe it will make sense with these new trains, but they need to fix their pricing, introduce airplane-style pricing and easy internet ticket buying so that they can start selling tickets, filling the trains and make the route profitable.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:29 PM   #2028
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Russian railways have terrible pricing anyway. There are many authorities who would like to drop passenger services all together (with the exception of Moscow-St.-Petersburg and Moscow-Nice :-D ), to make more room for high-profitable freight operation.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 03:14 PM   #2029
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Second Mansky tunnel bore opens
04 Sep 2014







RUSSIA: Contractors Stroy-Trest and SK Most handed a ceremonial key to Russian Railways President Vladimir Yakunin on August 26 to officially open a 2 465 m second bore built to increase capacity at Mansky tunnel on the Tayshet – Abakan line.

Capacity in the Krasnoyasrk region has been restricted by outdated infrastructure, including the single-track tunnel built in the 1960s. Yakunin said the opening of the second bore was ‘an event of a huge importance’, with RZD ‘looking forward to an increase in freight traffic’ which will require development of railway infrastructure in the east.

Construction began in 2005, with 9·54 m and 3·56 m diameter Lovat TBMs used to bore the main tunnel and a parallel service and drainage tunnel. The ballastless track is designed for a maximum speed of 60 km/h rather than 25 km/h in the older bore, and the waterproofing and lining materials are expected to have a life of 100 years.
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Old September 8th, 2014, 04:13 PM   #2030
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Stadler ships first Aeroexpress EMU
08 Sep 2014







RUSSIA: The first of 25 double-deck electric multiple-units which Aeroexpress has ordered for its services to Moscow's Sheremetyevo, Domodedovo and Vnukovo airports has begun its journey to Russia from Stadler Rail's Altenrhein factory in Switzerland.

The €381m order for 16 four-car and nine six-car aluminium-bodied EMUs based on Stadler's Kiss family was finalised in May 2013. The first four EMUs are being manufactured at Alternrhein, with the rest to be assembled at Stadler's new plant at Fanipol in Belarus. The factory near Minsk will be responsible for commissioning the EMUs, with certification to be undertaken at the Shcherbinka test centre near Moscow.

The 1 520 mm gauge Russian-profile cars are 5 240 mm high and 3 400 mm wide, meaning delivery from Switzerland by rail is not possible. Instead they are being taken by road from Altenrhein to Muttenz near Basel, where the first cars were loaded onto a ship on September 6. They are to be shipped via Rotterdam to Sassnitz and then to Klaipeda, from where they will be taken to Minsk by rail

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Old September 11th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #2031
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Is it me, or do the windows on that new Stadler EMU look a little small?

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Old September 11th, 2014, 11:55 PM   #2032
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They certainly do look small and they are definitely smaller than in other double-decker trains.

For comparison:

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Old September 14th, 2014, 12:58 PM   #2033
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Line Moscow - Smolensk, within Moscow City:



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Moscow-Helsinki train finally has suitable loco
Those train has had to stop several times near Russia-Finland border not only because it's border, but also because of different electrification systems used and RR didn't have a multimode passenger loco. So Sr1/Sr2 was changed for VL82 or TEP70 at Vainikkala and then to ChS6/ChS200.
Now it's just Sr1/2 to EP20 change. Hope it'll get faster soon.

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Moscow-Helsinki train finally has suitable loco
Those train has had to stop several times near Russia-Finland border not only because it's border, but also because of different electrification systems used and RR didn't have a multimode passenger loco. So Sr1/Sr2 was changed for VL82 or TEP70 at Vainikkala and then to ChS6/ChS200.
Now it's just Sr1/2 to EP20 change. Hope it'll get faster soon.
I didn't notice such a problem on helsinki-st.petersburg route
Anyway, good to see that Helsinki-Moscow train has been upgraded
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Old October 1st, 2014, 11:45 AM   #2036
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Moscow-Helsinki train finally has suitable loco
Those train has had to stop several times near Russia-Finland border not only because it's border, but also because of different electrification systems used and RR didn't have a multimode passenger loco. So Sr1/Sr2 was changed for VL82 or TEP70 at Vainikkala and then to ChS6/ChS200.
Now it's just Sr1/2 to EP20 change. Hope it'll get faster soon.
So, single EP20 is hauling the train from Moscow to Finish border?

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Yes, that's correct.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 03:00 PM   #2038
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Another picture of Talgo train - it will be known as Strizh (swift in Russian):

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Quite the monster of a loco. How long is that train?
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 09:53 AM   #2040
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Yesterday someone tried to steal train from depot, but they didn't go far - train crashed and they dissapeared. Link in Russian:



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