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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:37 PM   #441
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Changing wheel gauge does not need much time. A high speed train only has to slowdown to 10 km/h, go trough the "changing gauge station" (I don't know the exactly English word), and then speed up to high speed again.
These trains don't have to stop, because everything is done when the train is moving. So, the gauge change only takes a little more than stopping and speeding up again (Maybe 8 minutes in high speed>300 km/h trains?)

Also, about Spain, trains don't use the high speed line from point to point, but they uses it as a trunk line as well. They only take a portion of it, and then use the classical line to the final destination.
eg, there is a train from Madrid to Bilbao. It uses the High Speed Line until Valladolid, and then the classical line to Bilbao. Also, AFAIK, TGV does the same, but there is not a break of gauge.
That's it. Because of that it would be much better for Spain to have iberian gauge HSR, then regauging facilities would be needed only at the french border, but now it's too late.


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I'm spanish, and I don't think changing the Russian gauge is a good idea. Very expensive, and the transitional state is horrible. In Spain, almost everything is ready to change the gauge (the trains are adaptable, the railways are adaptable automatically in a very few months) and there is a lot of problems even.
What's about Portugal, do they change too?
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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:40 PM   #442
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And what is closer to Moscow - Sochi or Warszaw? What shall be the more popular destination, once the games are over?
Sochi, because national inter city services are normally more popular than international ones.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 07:55 PM   #443
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That's it. Because of that it would be much better for Spain to have iberian gauge HSR, then regauging facilities would be needed only at the french border, but now it's too late.
Interoperability is much more important than comfort. Anyway, the comfort isn't releated only on the gauge.

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What's about Portugal, do they change too?
Probably, but after Spain. Portugal's HSL will be standard gauge.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 08:51 PM   #444
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Interoperability is much more important than comfort. Anyway, the comfort isn't releated only on the gauge.
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Interoperability within the Iberian Peninsula is much more important, than interoperability with France. Therefore I call the decision to regauge an anachronism and it is for sure no paragon for Russia.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #445
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I don't think so. Road freight traffic between Iberian Peninsula and France is about 62 million tonnes a year. Freight traffic only 3 millions. And the main reason is...

For Russia is different because it is much, much bigger than the Iberian Peninsula. You can regauge 15.000 km of few used lines, but you can't dot he same with 250.000 km.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 09:17 PM   #446
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I don't think so. Road freight traffic between Iberian Peninsula and France is about 62 million tonnes a year. Freight traffic only 3 millions. And the main reason is...

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But don't forget that the reason for the decision to regauge is HSR, not freight traffic! So I doubt that they will regauge the whole network.
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Old June 6th, 2009, 10:17 PM   #447
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Freight traffic is a nice side effect. I think that spanish network will be regauged (except some suburban lines), but not before the completion of all high speed lines.
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Old June 9th, 2009, 11:19 PM   #448
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Yakunin attends round table at St. Petersburg Economic Forum.

On 5 June, 2009, Vladimir Yakunin, President of Russian Railways, attended a round table on the development of logistics infrastructure in Russia at the XIII St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

Yakunin said that at present, a serious problem on the Russian market for transportation and logistics services was the limited number of major logistics centres which could provide the full range of services for the redistribution of goods and satisfy current demand for commensurate technical specifications and service levels. As such, the President announced that the Company intended to expand significantly the range of its rail-based logistics services.

Yakunin recalled that in accordance with the approved "Strategy for The Development of Rail Transportation in the Russian Federation until 2030," the highest priority was to create a network of 35 to 40 modern terminal and logistics centres on the railways in the country’s major transportation hubs and industrial centres which would then be integrated into the international transport system.

To achieve this goal, the Company is examining solutions to problems such as:

- developing an effective and balanced terminal and storage network by creating freight processing terminals and multi-purpose multimodal terminal complexes which provide a wide range of warehousing, customs and related services,

- introducing modern logistics management technologies into the transportation process,

- improving the quality of transportation and logistics services by integrating individual transportation components into a single logistics chain,

- providing clients with comprehensive services for transporting goods "door to door" from a "one-stop-shop".

Vladimir Yakunin said that the plans outlined above could not be implemented without reliable partners in Russia and abroad and without the participation of the government at different levels. The Company was therefore looking at the possibility of cooperation with Russian and foreign partners to build terminal and logistics centres in Moscow, Samara, Leningrad and Sverdlovsk Regions and other regions of Russia.

In the coming months, the "Russian Railways’ Development Strategy to 2015" will be completed, which includes the final transition to management with a concentration on priority market areas with the aim of increasing the Company’s market value.

Yakunin also announced that in May 2009, Russian Railways had created a Centre for the Development of Terminals. In addition, it was also planned to actively position the Company in the segments terminal and warehouse operation and contract logistics, which would allow Russian Railways to offer its customers a new level of quality in transportation and logistics services.
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Russian Railways President Vladimir Yakunin speaks about company redundancies.

On 17 June in Moscow a meeting was held between Russian Railways President Vladimir Yakunin and representatives of the company’s labour organizations.

The meeting was also attended by more than 350 employees from seventeen railways in Russia, representatives of the Council of the Federation and the Transport Committee of the Russian State Duma, members of the board and company vice presidents.

The Russian Railways head spoke of the real state of affairs at the company, the anti-crisis programme and proposed social support measures for employees.

Vladimir Yakunin said that the crisis had not passed the company by. According to forecasts by the Ministry of Economic Development, in 2009 the company’s volume of traffic could fall by 19% against 2008.

“From an economic point of view, at the present time we have to lay off 180,000 workers. But the company board has taken a strategic decision to preserve the workforce as much as possible, avoid mass redundancies and think of the future so as to enter the post-crisis period when traffic will increase with the necessary staff contingent.”

As a result of this decision, 53,700 company employees are to be made redundant in 2009.

“This is not a reduction of the workforce, rather a reduction in the number of company employees that is the result mainly of people leaving and retiring of their own free will,” underlined Vladimir Yakunin.



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Russian Railways is the largest employer in Russia. The workforce numbers 1.2 million people.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 04:47 AM   #450
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This should be the 25 kV version.
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Old June 19th, 2009, 11:33 AM   #452
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That is a strange piece of news to read. RZD seemed to be a bit away from any economical realm. See the recent example of Putin forcing Oleg Derpiaska to restore aluminium production in one of hos plants (Pikalovo). Yakunin was forced to pledge he will provide transportation for free. All that so that people get their jobs back. Maybe this time he will step in again, and tell Yakunin he actuall needs to empy people, not let them go.
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I did expect that Sapsan, being cca 50cm wider than ICE would have 5-a-row seating in 2nd class, but it seems that it has 4-a-row in both 1st and 2nd class (ICE as I remember has 3-a-row in 1st and 4-a-row in 2nd).

Don't know if in China Velaro CN has 5-a-row (as fact sheet says it's as wide as Sapsan), but then again it's different antropometry, likewise in Japan and Taiwan HSR has 5-a-row seating (2+3). This is somewhat an advantage of broader gauge and a wider loading gauge.

I personally prefer Alstom's TGV/AGV with articulated design to Siemens ICE series with classical bogies, even though both have migrated to distributed traction over time.
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RZD tickets on sale in France

On June 18, tickets for the Moscow - Paris straight-through coach went on sale at SNCF ticket offices as the Company continues to improve the quality of its passenger services. Until now, tickets were only sold at ticket offices in Russia and Belarus.
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On June 18, tickets for the Moscow - Paris straight-through coach went on sale at SNCF ticket offices as the Company continues to improve the quality of its passenger services. Until now, tickets were only sold at ticket offices in Russia and Belarus.
Can we safely assume that these trainsets (or at least cars) will be using 'switch on the fly' dual-gauge wheelsets, like those that cross the French-Spanish border?

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Until now, tickets were only sold at ticket offices in Russia and Belarus.
I think on .cz also they where sold.
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Can we safely assume that these trainsets (or at least cars) will be using 'switch on the fly' dual-gauge wheelsets, like those that cross the French-Spanish border?
No. The car bodies are jacked up and the bogies are exchanged.
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Can we safely assume that these trainsets (or at least cars) will be using 'switch on the fly' dual-gauge wheelsets, like those that cross the French-Spanish border?

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No. The car bodies are jacked up and the bogies are exchanged.
Right, like many trains at the Spanish-French border too.
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I did expect that Sapsan, being cca 50cm wider than ICE would have 5-a-row seating in 2nd class, but it seems that it has 4-a-row in both 1st and 2nd class (ICE as I remember has 3-a-row in 1st and 4-a-row in 2nd).

Don't know if in China Velaro CN has 5-a-row (as fact sheet says it's as wide as Sapsan), but then again it's different antropometry, likewise in Japan and Taiwan HSR has 5-a-row seating (2+3). This is somewhat an advantage of broader gauge and a wider loading gauge.

I personally prefer Alstom's TGV/AGV with articulated design to Siemens ICE series with classical bogies, even though both have migrated to distributed traction over time.
As far as I know, Velaro CN has a 5-a-row seating. Sapsan has a 4-a-row seating.
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as discussed ealier on - the only automatic gauge exchange system that can be implemented on the Russian western border is SUW2000 http://www.google.com/url?url=http:/...6g_EkzBk7oI5Hg

It's highly efficient.

Ask PKP and RZD why they keep it hidden, and won't allow it to be implemented.

Although it may come back on Krakow - Ukraine routes soon.
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