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Old June 25th, 2009, 05:53 PM   #461
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Old June 26th, 2009, 08:18 AM   #462
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That's it. Because of that it would be much better for Spain to have iberian gauge HSR, then regauging facilities would be needed only at the french border, but now it's too late.

What's about Portugal, do they change too?
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Interoperability is much more important than comfort. Anyway, the comfort isn't releated only on the gauge.

Probably, but after Spain. Portugal's HSL will be standard gauge.
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Interoperability within the Iberian Peninsula is much more important, than interoperability with France. Therefore I call the decision to regauge an anachronism and it is for sure no paragon for Russia.

The portuguese "TGV" routes only came into existance as a project "preciselly" because we need to start changing the gauge ASAP.

So instead of converting and upgrading old routes we build a 600km "L" in UIC gauge and then we upgrade/convert the old routes as needed

Anyway ... we already have some 50/100km of dual gauge (3 rails) prepared to future conversion.

The mainlines will either be left in iberian another decade or two or migrated in the next upgrades.

Then again ... it's completelly different to change a complete iberian gauge to UIC (isolated network) than to change the russian , ucranian , bielorussian networks to UIC.

To give a proper perspective the distance between the southwestern main harbours in the peninsula (Lisboa, Setubal , Sines, Portimão , Vila Real , Figueira , Aveiro , Leixões , Viana in Portugal , Cadiz , Algeciras , Vigo in Spain) and the french borders is less than 900km so it's a vast network of "potentially" lucrative freight corridors that greatly benefit from a nationwide (or two) migrations to UIC gauge.

Russia as a massive railway colosuss benefits more from "feeder" 1524mm routes into central europe.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 08:21 AM   #463
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But don't forget that the reason for the decision to regauge is HSR, not freight traffic! So I doubt that they will regauge the whole network.
No ... the reason IS freight ... HSR in the peninsula is actually buit to "mixed traffic" standards.

And the old railways are paciently being renovated with dual-gauge sleepers.


Anyhow ... I tought that Latvia , Lituania and Estonia had already regauged some routes to UIC and/or to Russiang gauge.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 08:27 AM   #464
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That's the western and central european point of view, in the eastern european and central asian point of view it looks different.
All countries around Russia, but China and Poland in the case of Kaliningrad, use 1520 gauge. So it would make no sense for Russia to change the gauge.




Spain builds HSR in standard gauge, because in the 80ies, when this decisision was made, it hadn't been as simple as today to change gauge at the borders. The spanish decision looks like an anachronism from today's point of view. It would be much cheaper to use Talgo 250 trains between Paris and Madrid for example, than to build 1435 stretches in Spain.
I wonder if Spain will really rebuild the whole network, especially if EU incentives won't go to Spain and Portugal but to central Europe in the future. I'm afraid that Spain will be an "island-system": a 1670 network with a 1435 island within itself, because regauging the whole network will be too expensive.


1/2 the country already has double gauge sleepers installed.

And you are incorrect ... it was decided to build in UIC preciselly because it costs a lot of extra $$$ to buy rollingstock in iberian gauge and it's a stopper in terms of freight traffic.
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Spain and Portugal have together less than 15.000 km of broad gauge lines, many of them with very few traffic (less than 10 trains a day), so they may convert them to standard gauge in the future without distrupting much rail transport.

Russia and surrounding countries have 250.000 km of lines, many of them with a lot of traffic...

Broad gauge is an historical error that can not be corrected.
Only a 4600km trip between railheads in 1524mm in europe and china.


A UIC gauge directly connecting Berlin-Poznan-Lodz-Warsaw-Bialystok-Minsk-Smolensk-Moscow would be a huge feat.

Or just the oposite ... prolonging the Polish broad gauge to Roterndam(900km)

250km/h to accomodate both HSR and heavy freight trains.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 10:33 AM   #467
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Only a 4600km trip between railheads in 1524mm in europe and china.
Precisely what is the distance between 1435 mm railheads in Xinjiang and Iran?
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Old June 27th, 2009, 04:16 PM   #468
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No ... the reason IS freight ... HSR in the peninsula is actually buit to "mixed traffic" standards.
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Ok today, but the original decision of the 80ies had to do with HSR.


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Anyhow ... I tought that Latvia , Lituania and Estonia had already regauged some routes to UIC and/or to Russiang gauge.
I don't think they have money for that.
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Russian Railways to reduce purchases of imported equipment by 15-20% in 2009.

In 2009, the Company will reduce its purchases of imported equipment by 15-20% as part of a programme to support domestic production.

Russian Railways is continuing its policy of active support for Russian companies. The Company has considered the justification for procuring material and technical resources abroad in 2009 and analysed the possibilities for switching to domestic components.

In IQ2009, Russian Railways therefore reduced the purchase of foreign-made chemical products by a factor of 3.6 compared to the same period last year, electrical products by 2.5 times, machinery by 3.8 times, spare parts for track maintenance equipment by 19% and materials for the upper track by 38%.
http://www.eng.rzd.ru/wps/portal/rzd...3920&id=104782
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Old June 29th, 2009, 01:31 PM   #471
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Russia, Estonia: Exports of Russian fuel oil through Estonia to stop

Within a year the export of Russian fuel oil by rail via Estonia might be stopped completely,- Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said, cited by PortWorld.


More here:http://www.railwaymarket.eu/7557/Rus...Bto%2Bstop.htm

What do you think? Will Estonian railways survive that?
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Old June 29th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #472
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as discussed ealier on - the only automatic gauge exchange system that can be implemented on the Russian western border is SUW2000.
The only "Russian western border" (that I`m aware of) where such a system could be implemented is the one between Poland and Kaliningrad..the railway traffic seems not to be very intensive n that area though..
The rest of the countries alongside the Russia`s Western border haved the same gauge as Russia itself..
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I meant CIS borders of course, which is more or less the same
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I meant CIS borders of course, which is more or less the same
No, it's absolutely not the same. Or do you think Poland and Germany are the same for example?
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in terms of gauge width they are. but you are correct and I apologise : )
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Russian cooperation with Slovakia gets more and more interesting: the broad gauge project, Tatravagonka's new products for RZD, now this:


Slovakia, Russia: Agreement signed between Freight One and ZSSK Cargo

The Russian company Freight One signed an agreement with ZSSK Cargo from Slovakia. According to the document, wagons of Freight One will now be able to operate in Slovak Republic on the terms of private operators.

Rates on freight hauling and empty runs will be calculated in accordance with the rate-setting practices that are applicable to the Slovakian company’s own railway cars.

- Our company is interested in new markets and expanding its presence in European countries, especially in light of Russian Railways’ promising projects to extend the 1,520 gauge through Slovakia to Vienna. - Salman Babayev, general director of the Russian operator, said.

Similar agreements were signed last year between Freight One and state-owned companies from Poland (PKP Cargo), Romania (CFR Marfa) and Finland (VR Cargo).
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Russia Ponders Nationalizing Railways

Russian rail boss backs nationalisation to ease unrest

MOSCOW, June 30 (Reuters) - The head of Russia's state rail monopoly urged the government on Tuesday to nationalise struggling industries to try to defuse the social tensions stirred by the financial crisis.

The comments from Vladimir Yakunin, president of Russian Railways, mark the highest profile public defence so far of moves to fold troubled private firms into state corporations.

Business leaders and market analysts have voiced concerns that the government is using the crisis to effectively nationalise industries. Late last year, for instance, the state folded about a dozen bankrupt airlines into a new state aviation giant, Russian Airlines, which promised to guarantee flights and save jobs.

Yakunin said the trend was good if it forced companies to pay their workers enough.

"Our work force is undervalued, underpaid ... and that is what has caused the social tensions we are seeing today," he said.

"We see in the anti-crisis measures of other countries that they are not little girls. If they need to save private banks, they nationalise them. If they have to support some industrial sector, they don't just throw money at it, they nationalise it."

Wage arrears and soaring unemployment in many Russian towns have prompted protesters to block major highways, forcing the government to step in and force business owners to pay late wages and resume operations, even if loss-making.

Yakunin, whose monopoly employs around 1.2 million people, had been named among potential candidates to replace Vladimir Putin in the 2008 presidential elections before Putin, now prime minister, named Dmitry Medvedev as his preferred candidate.

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Yakunin said only oil and coal cargoes have shown signs of recovery, and forecast a 19 percent decline in rail transport for 2009 because global demand for other goods and commodities remains weak. In the first half, rail shipments fell 22.7 percent, he said.

The government limits the annual price increases for railway services, and the industry has been allowed the smallest hikes in the past years compared with other state regulated sectors such as gas and power.

Economy Minister Elvira Nabiullina told the same conference that the liberalisation of the gas and electricity sectors will need to be reined in next year.

Under a plan approved in 2007, gas and power prices were to gradually rise to free market levels by 2011. The Kremlin's chief economic aide clarified later on Tuesday that gas prices would rise 10 percent in 2010 and power prices 5 percent, far less than initially planned.

Since the financial crisis hit Russia last year, utility prices have roused fierce debate, with many officials insisting that the state must keep them low to protect the public.
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I've heard that Velaro Rus reached 295 kph (even 300 kph) during a test run. Is that true?
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Russian Railways freight cargo falls 23 pct in H1

MOSCOW, June 30 (Reuters) - The freight cargo of Russian Railways, the state railway monopoly, fell 22.7 percent in the first half of 2009, its chief executive Vladimir Yakunin said on Vesti-24 television on Tuesday.

Yakunin forecast that the decline in rail freight will come to 19 percent for the full year as only coal and oil cargo is seeing growth, while the shipment of other goods and commodities continues to fall due to slackening demand in Europe.
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