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Old September 25th, 2008, 05:20 PM   #101
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The US government spend nearly trillion of dollar in the wars for nothing why not just invest in HSR and health care, education etc.. I feel sorry for US citizens elected George Bush as president, hope Obama will be elect as next president for USA.
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Old September 25th, 2008, 09:05 PM   #102
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I am thinking perhaps they might later want to speed up the trip to 300 km/h in the future. They are only planning on running these at 250 km/h still?
As far as i remember such plans do exist, but this is uncertain.
Also there are plans to construct new modern high speed line between Moscow and St-Petersburg, close to existing one, by around 2015.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 05:06 AM   #103
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The US government spend nearly trillion of dollar in the wars for nothing why not just invest in HSR and health care, education etc.. I feel sorry for US citizens elected George Bush as president, hope Obama will be elect as next president for USA.
You said it man. Although Obama is not going to reverse all of what Bush has done, but he is a step in the right direction.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 10:52 AM   #104
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Agreed.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 11:33 AM   #105
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As far as i remember such plans do exist, but this is uncertain.
Also there are plans to construct new modern high speed line between Moscow and St-Petersburg, close to existing one, by around 2015.
Does anyone know, what is planned/done in the near term regarding the tracks? The HS connection between Moscow and St.Petersburg was originally billed as a "Russian project" based on indigenous Russian technology, including a train named Sokol (falcon), and new-built tracks for most of the way. From what Russian friends told me, their first experiences with running trains at moderately high speeds almost made many of the junctions and level crossings rattle apart and consequently they had to do repair and maintenance work almost every night.

Surely the new German train (incidentally it's name Sapsan means peregrine falcon - not too far from the original) is not exactly lightweight either. Have the tracks been thoroughly renovated? Or have new tracks been laid already on at least part of the route? Or, if none of the above, what do they plan to do?
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Old September 26th, 2008, 12:19 PM   #106
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In mitigation to the above concerns it should be noted that Siemens (and Bombardier and Alstom) have considerable experience in modern bogie design, and it is this as much the weight which determines wear/damage to the tracks. A velaro at 250km/h probably does less damage to the track than any train from the 1970s doing 175-200 km/h (or a pre-flexicoil class 86 at 150km/h!). So whilst this won't stop bad tracks form being bad tracks if they were orignally ok tracks but the previous trains were bad then maybe all is ok.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 12:40 PM   #107
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Awesome stuff...maybe we'll get to see a high-speed Trans-Siberian railway in the next 30 years

Also, if what they say is true, it will decrease the St. Petersburg-Moscow trip from 4-4:30 hours to 3-3:30...very competitive with air travel, for sure.
Especially if you take in mind that services in Moscow airports is total shit + safety questions, huge queues etc. etc. etc.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 01:32 PM   #108
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superb, i am a big fan of such heavy german engineering

the cockpit is so hitech and clutter free
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Old September 26th, 2008, 03:39 PM   #109
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Surely the new German train (incidentally it's name Sapsan means peregrine falcon - not too far from the original) is not exactly lightweight either.
Well, Nevsky Express travels at around 180-200 km/h already so i wouldn't worry about that.

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Have the tracks been thoroughly renovated? Or have new tracks been laid already on at least part of the route? Or, if none of the above, what do they plan to do?
I don't know the detail, but some kind of preparation works for Velaro RUS are being done on the line.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #110
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I didn't knew that Russia had a HSR. Between wich cities will this train ride in Russia?

The ICE 3 is one of the best looking trains in the world.
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Old September 26th, 2008, 06:22 PM   #111
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Between wich cities will this train ride in Russia?
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From the end of 2009 onwards, the 250 km/h trains are to connect Moscow and St. Petersburg. This will reduce the journey time by around one hour in all. Later on, the high speed trains are to be used on the Moscow–Nizhny Novgorod route as well.
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Old September 27th, 2008, 04:49 AM   #112
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wow!!! these trains looks awesome!
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Old September 28th, 2008, 07:49 PM   #113
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That is very cool looking from the initial pictures. I am thinking perhaps they might later want to speed up the trip to 300 km/h in the future. They are only planning on running these at 250 km/h still?

These sets are still designed to go at 300 km/h. This is sad that Russia is developing 1st class HSR over the U.S. Oh well, perhaps it might get the message out that HSR is not that bad of an idea.
The Vmax of the existing HS-line between Moscow and St. Petersburg is 250 km/h.
The Vmax of new HS-lines well be between 300 and 350 km/h.
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Old September 28th, 2008, 07:52 PM   #114
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I have read that 4 of the sets can run under 3 and 25 kV, and 4 only under 3 kV DC. It is hard to run at 300 km/h in 3 kV DC, so it's a strange decision.
The existing line uses 3 kV =. New lines will use 25 kV ≈.
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Old September 29th, 2008, 01:14 AM   #115
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Hola,
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Old September 29th, 2008, 01:58 AM   #116
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great looking trains, its projects like these that europe earns money from Russia, and then buys oil with it, america's idea of sanction ion russia s ridicolous for such project to take place
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Old September 29th, 2008, 05:02 AM   #117
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why are we calling it super? what's the difference between these ICE3s and every other ICE3s in the world.

more specifically, what's different about this version from the one that the Chinese currently runs at 350km/h?
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Old September 29th, 2008, 07:30 PM   #118
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One difference is that these trains are able to run in very deep temperatures, another difference is that these trains are longer than the chinese ones.
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Old September 30th, 2008, 05:51 AM   #119
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And, they are more expensive than Chinese ones, too
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Old October 1st, 2008, 12:00 PM   #120
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ICE3 is a great modern train. IMO the Shinkansen 500 series from JR still has the best look. That was a train ahead of its time.

This one has a more interesting color scheme than CRH3 (Velaro-CN)
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