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Old July 17th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #1681
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1500 km in 20 years ?
China buit 7000 in 3 years and by 2020 will have 50000
It's not all about km. The most important things to be taken into account when talking about HSR is the population density and large urban centers which have to be connected. Does Russia need 20 000km of HSR? Of course no. In order to have a demand for HSR you need to have large urban centers within a relatively close proximity to each other (say 1000, max 2000km). China is in a perfect situation for that because it has a bunch of 5-15 million cities all across the Eastern half of the country which means all they need to do is to connect them with HSR tracks and the demand is guaranteed. Trains will go every few minutes on all lines and they will be used at near-maximum capacity which means they will be profitable.

Russia, on the other hand, doesn't have as many large urban centers. In fact, there are just two really large ones - Moscow and St. Petersburg which could sustain a very frequent HSR service. There are only a few other centers (maybe Nizhny Novogorod, Kazan? That's pretty much it. Of course, some international links to Minsk or Kiev could be an option as well) that could have proper HSR links with Moscow (and frequencies would be far lower anyway). So all in all Russia probably needs about 2000-3000km of HSR tracks to keep it sustainable and profitable. Building HSR to nowhere just doesn't make any sense because it's cheaper, faster and more effective to fly somewhere instead of building expensive infrastructure that will be used at 2% of its capacity.
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Old July 18th, 2010, 10:12 AM   #1682
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Some results high-speed route Moscow-St-Petrsburg (In Russian) http://www.gudok.ru/transport/zd/?pub_id=356488

Briefly, the project exceeded the expectations. Currently, 7 Sapsan trains are in use, soon will be delivered 8th and the last one.
Occupancy level in June is 93.2% whereas in December when service started 84,6%. Since December 740 000 passengers have chosen this route.
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Old July 19th, 2010, 01:54 AM   #1683
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so for Example in US if Siemens are friends with Obama they will win the contract ?
Siemens CEO's are different stories. Read the story about Putin working in Dresden and former DDR guys who are now CEO's of big German companies like Siemens
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Old July 19th, 2010, 08:05 AM   #1684
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I don't think this is correct. Currently there is 650km Moscow-St.Petersburg high-speed route, route to St.Petersburg-Heslinki (450km) will be completed by the end of this year, that's already almost 1000 km.
Remains the fact that neither Moscow-St.Petersburg nor St.Petersburg-Helsinki are really HS-lines at this point in time. They are more like the American Acela Express, which runs fast on parts of an upgraded track.

A truly HS concept (such as the ones pursued in France, Japan and Spain) would bring the travel time between Moscow and Piter well below 3 hours. I understand the Russian government has plans to build some 300+ km/h stretches for (part of) this line over the next 10-15 years?
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Old July 21st, 2010, 12:21 AM   #1685
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LMAO...only in Russia! Seriously, what other nation on this planet could afford the highest of high-tech and employ it in such a way? Reminds me of the Buran shuttle sitting in that Moscow park
Sorry to interfere, but I would like to note that the space shuttle "Buran", which you saw in the park - not a space shuttle. This flying laboratory to test flight and speed characteristics of the shuttle. She did not fly above 3,000 m above the ground.
Real "Buran" died under the rubble of the complex assembly in 2002 year. Also killed 8 people.

Currently still have a second shuttle - "Burya"- after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the space shuttle belongs to Kazakhstan

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Old July 26th, 2010, 08:21 PM   #1686
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Now we are waiting for the Sapsan train in Vladimir, on route Moscow-Nizhny Novgorod.
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Old September 27th, 2010, 11:43 PM   #1687
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Old September 27th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #1688
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Serbian Railways ordered 12 of these.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #1689
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Lithuanian Railways has a few of RA-2s bought from Russian manufacturer a few years ago... pretty much everyone (including the typically defensive railfans and even those who actually work in the Railways) agree that these are among the worst machines ever put in service, even if we count the Soviet era trains/locomotives. Extremely unreliable, bad noise isolation, uncomfortable and generally outdated despite the somewhat appealing design (at least at the front).
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Old September 28th, 2010, 12:23 AM   #1690
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Lithuanian Railways has a few of RA-2s bought from Russian manufacturer a few years ago... pretty much everyone (including the typically defensive railfans and even those who actually work in the Railways) agree that these are among the worst machines ever put in service, even if we count the Soviet era trains/locomotives. Extremely unreliable, bad noise isolation, uncomfortable and generally outdated despite the somewhat appealing design (at least at the front).
Are the seats made of wood in Lithuania, maby they ordered the worst version ?

I don't know but judging from the pictures the trains look comfortable to me.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 01:02 AM   #1691
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Alliance Alstom / Transmashholding


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Alstom acquires 25% of the capital of Transmashholding

02 March 2010

On 1 March 2010, Alstom and Transmashholding (TMH), Russia's largest railway equipment manufacturer, signed three documents which firm up the strategic partnership agreement that they signed on 31 March 2009. These documents were signed in the presence of Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, President of the Russian Federation, and Nicolas Sarkozy, President of France.

The partners both signed:

a Share Purchase Agreement under the terms and conditions of which Alstom acquires a 25% stake + 1 share in Transmashholding's parent company, Breakers Investment BV.
an amendment to the current Shareholders’ Agreement between the shareholders on how the company is to be managed.
a Master Cooperation Agreement between Transmashholding and Alstom Transport which specifies the terms according to which their joint activities in developing and manufacturing new rolling stock and components for railway equipment are to be carried out.
Alstom's acquisition of a stake in TMH is subject to certain conditions. As soon as these conditions have been met, within a maximum of six months, Alstom will make an initial payment of US$75 million to TMH. The balance will be paid in 2012, and the exact amount will depend on Transmashholding's results for the period 2008-2011.

Under the terms and conditions of the strategic partnership agreement signed on 31 March 2009, a representative of Alstom Transport was appointed Transmashholding’s new deputy managing director. He was joined in Russia by a team of French experts, all specialists in manufacturing, engineering, human resources and financial control.

A joint engineering company - "Tekhnologii Relsovogo Transporta – TRT" has already been set up and registered in Russia. This company is tasked with creating Russian centres of excellence for designing and manufacturing railway system equipment and key components, integrating the latest technologies developed by Alstom Transport and TMH. This engineering centre is already working on the design of an electric passenger locomotive, the EP-20, capable of speeds of up to 200 km/h, which will serve as a template for a future range of new Russian locomotives for various uses.


About Alstom Transport
A promoter of sustainable mobility, Alstom Transport develops and markets the most complete range of systems, equipment and services in the railway sector. Alstom Transport manages entire transport systems, taking in rolling stock, signalling and infrastructure, and offers “turnkey” solutions. Alstom Transport recorded sales of 5.7 billion euros in the fiscal year 2008-2009 and an increase in orders of 9% compared to the previous year. Alstom Transport is present in over 60 countries and employs some 27,000 people.

About Transmashholding
Transmashholding is Russia’s leading rail manufacturer. In particular it is known for its production of electric and diesel locomotives, converters, freight and passenger cars, suburban and metro cars, diesel engines for locomotives and diesel generators. In 2009 Transmashholding’s sales reached 1,7 billion euros. The company employs over 57,000 workers.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 05:47 AM   #1692
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Lithuanian Railways has a few of RA-2s bought from Russian manufacturer a few years ago... pretty much everyone (including the typically defensive railfans and even those who actually work in the Railways) agree that these are among the worst machines ever put in service, even if we count the Soviet era trains/locomotives. Extremely unreliable, bad noise isolation, uncomfortable and generally outdated despite the somewhat appealing design (at least at the front).
And how much Lithuanian Railways paid for it?
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Old September 28th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #1693
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Well maybe the producer has improved them a bit and worked out the problems.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 04:05 AM   #1694
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And how much Lithuanian Railways paid for it?
I was unable to find it online. I guess they just wen't for the cheapest option not caring about anything else.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 04:09 AM   #1695
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RA2 is a short DMU (officially just a rail diesel bus, but it has at least 2 cars). Obviously it's a solution for rural regions with very low passenger flow, so with small money in pockets. It cost just $1mln per car - cheaper than tram.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 04:23 AM   #1696
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In that case perhaps they got what they paid for. In any case RA-2 are better than the old D-1s which are museum pieces.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 07:00 AM   #1697
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RA2 is a short DMU (officially just a rail diesel bus, but it has at least 2 cars). Obviously it's a solution for rural regions with very low passenger flow, so with small money in pockets. It cost just $1mln per car - cheaper than tram.
The model we ordered is more expensive , at 34,500,000.00 CHF for 10 trainsets or 2,6 million euro/train according to the original contract signed in April of this year. It has since been amended , to include two more trains.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #1698
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Well whatever they are like, they are certainly a hundred times better than the ones they are supposed to replace, the old "Sinobus"-s used in rural areas. The major railway directions are electrified so those will not be used on any major lines between bigger cities, so they should be more than good enough for the job they are supposed to do.

Scroll down, it's the silver ones they are replacing.
http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/fore...php?30,4525837
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Old September 30th, 2010, 06:42 AM   #1699
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Will Metrovagomash/Transmash ever produce elektrichka units?
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Old September 30th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #1700
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See previous page (if you are talking about Transmashholding)
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