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Old January 3rd, 2011, 03:56 PM   #1721
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So I don't see a problem, for the average person, if a train has 40% of its window seats facing something that is not an window.
The average person disagrees with you. Seats not having a window is the #1 complaint one hears of a lot of modern rolling stock.

It's not so much a question of looking at the landscape, it's more a question of not feeling closed in.
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 05:49 PM   #1722
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The average person disagrees with you. Seats not having a window is the #1 complaint one hears of a lot of modern rolling stock.

It's not so much a question of looking at the landscape, it's more a question of not feeling closed in.
Maybe rail companies could charge differently for window-facing seats then. There is always an opportunity for price discrimination and ancillary fees when you have something people complain about.
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 06:15 PM   #1723
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Have you ever noticed (the very, very rare times you are not inside your car) that ALL metro trains, even for lines running entirely underground, have windows?
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 06:34 PM   #1724
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Have you ever noticed (the very, very rare times you are not inside your car) that ALL metro trains, even for lines running entirely underground, have windows?
Yes, they allow passengers to read station signs or, from the platform, to look into the subway cars and see where it is less crowded (in cases of cars than don't have an open-room design).
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 06:50 PM   #1725
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No:
1) all modern metros have announcements inside the trains
2) all metros have wide doors and open space interior
There are windows simply because most people feel bad travelling without seeing what is outside the vehicle, even if this "what" is as boring as a tunnel with a light and a sign here and there.
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Old January 3rd, 2011, 11:11 PM   #1726
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Even if so, this russian train has A LOT of windows. If you don't have a window exactly on your row, there still be a dozen of them on your car.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:39 AM   #1727
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There are windows simply because most people feel bad travelling without seeing what is outside the vehicle, even if this "what" is as boring as a tunnel with a light and a sign here and there.
Urban people have tendency to dislike open spaces and prefer secluded closed spaces.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:45 AM   #1728
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half of the seats have no window, I feel claustrophopic, when my reserved seat is like these (I do whatever possible to avoid them) I search for another seat or I travel standing

It's incredibly stupid to build a train so badly.
Well due to harsh winter weather in Russia, it may be the reason for the design of the train.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 09:35 AM   #1729
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Maybe rail companies could charge differently for window-facing seats then. There is always an opportunity for price discrimination and ancillary fees when you have something people complain about.
The cost of organizing that would probably be higher than the benefit.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 11:39 AM   #1730
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Well due to harsh winter weather in Russia, it may be the reason for the design of the train.
No, here it's only a question of logic, paying attention placing the seats would probably be sufficient, without touching anything of the structure.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 03:38 AM   #1731
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just a cool picture

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Old January 7th, 2011, 02:46 AM   #1732
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No, here it's only a question of logic, paying attention placing the seats would probably be sufficient, without touching anything of the structure.
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In this case they could have easily placed the seats so that every row has a window besides them, if they placed the seats so that the backrest alligns with the solid part, like in the facing seats configuration. But they placed one row exactly in the middle of the window, while the next one will have no window at all.
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 03:36 PM   #1733
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Russian Railways has invited foreign investors to bid for a 30-year contract to design, build, finance and maintain new high-speed rail links in Russia.

It has created a subsidiary company, High-Speed Rail Lines, to handle the project, which will present potential bidders with its strategy for developing the project in March 2011, and will present an international tender for the Moscow-St Petersburg route in December.

Various high-speed lines, worth about $68bn, are planned to be built from Samara to St Petersburg for the 2018 World Cup under a concession system for the next three decades.

The 660km line will run high-speed trains with a speed of 400kp/h, which will reduce the journey time between Samara and St Petersburg to two and a half hours from four and half hours.

The Moscow-St Petersburg line is expected to cost about €15bn ($20.4bn), while preliminary maps by Russian Railways show the new line running through Tver, Novogorod and Leningrad, although the final route is yet to be finalised.

A 3,000km line towards the Urals will link Moscow to Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, Samara and Yekaterinburg, while long-term plans are to build high-speed lines to Kiev and Minsk, and to capitals throughout the former Soviet Union and Europe.

Construction is expected to start in 2013, and the successful bidder should complete the 660km line by 2017, a year before the World Cup in Russia.

The state will bear 70% of the construction costs with the rest from outside investors, most likely from international financial institutions including the World Bank and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, with Sberbank, VTB and VEB expected to join.
source: railway-technology.com

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Old February 2nd, 2011, 07:00 PM   #1734
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(...)The 660km line will run high-speed trains with a speed of 400kp/h, which will reduce the journey time between Samara and St Petersburg to two and a half hours from four and half hours.(...)
I think there's some kind of mistake here... Samara and St. Petersburg are about 1400 km apart as the crow flies (a high speed crow it must be, btw), so it can't be possible, even for a train that *averages* 400 kph, to cover that distance in "two and a half hours"...
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Old February 2nd, 2011, 09:44 PM   #1735
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tabloid press, poor journalists and translators

high speed (350-400 kmph)

planned
Moscow - Saint Petersburg (2013 - 2017)

under consideration
Moscow - Yekaterinburg
Kazan' - Samara

3000km in total



improved speed (200-250kmph)

built
Saint Petersburg - Moscow
Helsinki - Saint Petersburg

under considerations
Moscow - Sochi
Moscow - Kiev
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Old February 3rd, 2011, 08:05 PM   #1736
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The 660km line will run high-speed trains with a speed of 400kp/h, which will reduce the journey time between Samara and St Petersburg to two and a half hours from four and half hours.

The Moscow-St Petersburg line is expected to cost about €15bn ($20.4bn), while preliminary maps by Russian Railways show the new line running through Tver, Novogorod and Leningrad, although the final route is yet to be finalised.

source: railway-technology.com

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I think before "to draw new maps", the author of this article (nothing against the poster) should open the map at least (especially that he writes for railway site). Distance betveen St. Petersburg and Samara is about 1 500 km, not 660 km - he perhaps confused it to St.Petersburg - Moscow distance...Then to say that line Moscow-St.Petersburg line is expected to run "through Tver, Novogorod and Leningrad" is noncence because Leningrad is the former name of St.Petersburg itselve ...Also it should be said where there will be new railway lines built and where the high-speed trains will use existing (or upgraded) lines - for example there is already in existence the high-speed Moscow-St.Petersburg line (Sapsan), so probably the author wants to say that the new railway line will be built there...
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Old February 4th, 2011, 06:16 PM   #1738
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ja, sorry, I just copy pasted the article without checking. Just thought could be interesting. By the way, no project to link Moscow to Kaliningrad by high speed? Russia has to play its role of economical role in the area... Agreement with Lithuania and Europe needed of course...
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Old February 4th, 2011, 11:32 PM   #1739
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You may get compensation if Sapsan train is delayed.

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Russian Railways have already paid 1, 5 million rubles compensation for delayed high-speed train services to passengers of two Sapsan trains.

On the January, 17 Sapsan train N 153 St. Petersburg-Moscow was delayed on technical grounds to more than 2 hours; departure of one more Sapsan, N 152, Moscow - St. Petersburg was delayed to 40 minutes. Passengers of the train 153 who didn't return their tickets and continued their voyage, have got 100% compensation, ones of train N 152 - 25% compensation of the ticket cost.

From the November, 1 compensations are provided for delays of Sapsan trains, - Julia Mineeva, spokesperson of Oktyabrskaya Railway says. 100% of ticket's cost is returned if the train is late more than 121 minutes. Passengers of the train N 153 could take receive their money at Leningragsky Railway terminal (Moscow).

Causes of breakdown are being cleared up. According to preliminary data, it could be software failure.
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