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Old January 3rd, 2009, 06:29 PM   #161
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'The Board of Directors of Oy Karelian Trains Ltd., a joint venture between Russian Railways and VR-Group (AO Railways of Finland) has named their new high-speed train the Allegro, which as everybody knows comes from the Italian and means fast.
Pendolinos are excellent trains but err... allegro means 'joyful', not 'fast'.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 07:48 PM   #162
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Pendolinos are excellent trains but err... allegro means 'joyful', not 'fast'.
You'll have to contact Russian Railways about that!
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 08:22 PM   #163
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Pendolinos are excellent trains but err... allegro means 'joyful', not 'fast'.
allegro means fast...
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 08:34 PM   #164
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Trust me, it doesn't. It means бодрый!
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 08:44 PM   #165
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If I am not mistaken, in music it means a fast and joyful tempo, no?
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 08:51 PM   #166
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Well yes, the tempo is the speed of the music, so a 'joyful', 'lively', 'cheerful' tempo is a fast one. This doesn't mean 'allegro' means 'fast' though: it means joyful, lively, cheerful etc.
Anyway who cares.
It's still a nice word and it will be an excellent train.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 10:46 PM   #167
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Trust me, it doesn't. It means бодрый!
i've finished 8-year music school, i know what does it mean commonly it's understood as just fast temp
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Old January 4th, 2009, 10:03 PM   #168
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Velaro RUS (Sapsan) - 330kph (but it will run maximum at 250kph on present line)
Pendolino (Allegro) - 220kph (220kph on Finnish territory and 160kph on Russian territory)
160 km/h? Are you sure? My last information was 200 km/h.
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i've finished 8-year music school, i know what does it mean commonly it's understood as just fast temp
but do you speak italian?
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Old January 7th, 2009, 01:47 PM   #170
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"Allegro" means "fast" only in the music terminology. In the everyday language it means "happy" or "joyful".

An Italian dictionary: http://old.demauroparavia.it/4128

(there are some others rarely used meanings)
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Old January 7th, 2009, 04:01 PM   #171
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From the Spanish forum

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Comparado con nuestros Velaros:



Mas largo, mas ancho, mas lento
Velaro E is the Spanish Velaro (S 103)

There is a mistake, the Power supply is the same for the two trains. Velaro E can´t run with DC
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Velaro E is the Spanish Velaro (S 103)

There is a mistake, the Power supply is the same for the two trains. Velaro E can´t run with DC
Correct would be:

Velaro E: 25 kV AC

Velaro RUS (1): 3 kV DC
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Velaro RUS (2): 3 kV DC/25 kV AC
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Old January 8th, 2009, 02:07 PM   #173
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For the comparison: Don't forget the third Velaro, Velaro CN!
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Old January 8th, 2009, 05:13 PM   #174
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And the German Velaro (ICE 3)
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Old January 10th, 2009, 02:08 AM   #175
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And the German Velaro (ICE 3)
The german and dutch ICE 3s are no Velaros. The ICE 3 is made by Alstom, Bombardier and Siemens, the Velaro is a product of Siemens. But Velaro and ICE 3 are brothers.
The German Rail (DB) has ordered now Velaros (Velaro D).
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Old January 10th, 2009, 01:51 PM   #176
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Old January 10th, 2009, 03:53 PM   #177
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Technical data for Velaros and ICE 3:

Velaro E (Spain)

Name AVE S-103
Gauge (mm) 1.435
Configuration (cars) 8
Overall length (m) 200,3
Car width (mm) 2.950
Car height (mm) 3.890
Power supply 25 kV 50 Hz AC
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.800
Design speed (km/h) 350
Seats Club: 37; Preferente: 103; Tourista: 264
Train control ETCS (Level 2), STM-LZB80, ASFA


Velaro RUS (Russia)

Name Сапсан (Sapsan)
Gauge (mm) 1.520
Configuration (cars) 10
Overall length (m) 250,3
Car width (mm) 3.265
Car height (mm) 4.400
Power supply 3 kV DC and 3 kV DC/25 kV 50 Hz
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.000
Design speed (km/h) 250 (330 after upgrade)
Seats Business: 104 Tourist: 500
Train control KLUB-U


Velaro CN (China)

Name CRH3
Gauge (mm) 1.435
Configuration (cars) 8
Overall length (m) 200
Car width (mm) 3.265
Car height (mm) 3.890
Power supply 25 kV 50 Hz AC
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.800
Design speed (km/h) 300
Seats 1. Class: 72; 2. Class: 529
Train control ETCS (Level 1)


Velaro D (ordered [no ICE 3]) (Germany)

Name ICE (?)
Gauge (mm) 1.435
Configuration (cars) 8
Overall length (m) 200
Car width (mm) k. A.
Car height (mm) k. A.
Power supply 15 kV 16,7 Hz; 25 kV 50 Hz; 1,5 kV DC u. 3 kV DC
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.000
Design speed (km/h) 320
Seats 1. Klasse: 99; 2. Klasse: 386
Train control Sifa, LZB CIR-ELKE, ZUB121, Integra, Crocodile, TVM, ATBL, Eurobalise, KVB, ETCS (?)


Baureihe 403 (Germany)

Name ICE 3
Gauge (mm) 1.435
Configuration (cars) 8
Overall length (m) 200,84
Car width (mm) 2.950
Car height (mm) 3.890
Power supply 15 kV 16,7 Hz AC
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.000
Design speed (km/h) 330
Train control Sifa, PZB90, LZB80


Baureihe 406 (Netherlands and Germany)

Name ICE 3 M
Gauge (mm) 1.435
Configuration (cars) 8
Overall length (m) 200,84
Car width (mm) 2.950
Car height (mm) 3.890
Power supply 15 kV 16,7 Hz~ / 25 kV 50 Hz~ / 1,5 kV = / 3 kV =
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.000 AC/4300 DC
Design speed (km/h) 330
Train control Sifa, PZB90, LZB80, ZUB121, Integra, Crocodile, TVM430, ATBL, Eurobalise, ETCS (ordered)


Baureihe 406 F (Germany)

Name ICE 3 MF
Gauge (mm) 1.435
Configuration (cars) 8
Overall length (m) 200,84
Car width (mm) 2.950
Car height (mm) 3.890
Power supply 15 kV 16,7 Hz~ / 25 kV 50 Hz~ / 1,5 kV = / 3 kV =
Nominal power rating (kW) 8.000 AC/4300 DC
Design speed (km/h) 330
Train control Sifa, PZB90, LZB80, TVM, KVB, ETCS (ordered)
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Old January 12th, 2009, 08:43 PM   #178
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Who has its timetable?
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Old January 13th, 2009, 12:28 PM   #179
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Who has its timetable?
I don't think that there is a timetable yet. They have to test it first.
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